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[Kent Finnell]

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I don't disagree with you. However, a more modest 4 banger Accord would
very easilly achieve acceptable performance in a hybrid with better
mileage numbers.

Hence the 4 cylinder Civic Hybrid ... sheesh, I'll bet you're going to carp
about that too. 49/51 mpg with performance on a par with the NA 1.8 4
cylinder.

Honda just didn't slap the 3.0 liter V6 into the nearest Accord and throw in
the electric motor for grins and giggles. It is a system, a system that
includes the shut down of 3 of the cylinders under the certain conditions,
effectively becoming a 3 cylinder. The Civic has a 1.3 liter 4. Hummm, 1.5
3 cylinder, 1.3 4 cylinder.

The Accord is a larger, heavier car that some people need. Of course you
might want to opt for a Yugo.

Neither of the 4 - 6 passenger Hondas is a failure. Different specs for
different markets, yes but not failures. At least neither of them has had a
massive recall because the gas engines shut down at speed like the Toyota
hybrid. How many were there ... 75,000 or so?

Then there's always that other line of Hondas ... motorcycles.

 

[Kent Finnell]

<snipped>

I don't disagree with you. However, a more modest 4 banger Accord would
very easilly achieve acceptable performance in a hybrid with better
mileage numbers.

Hence the 4 cylinder Civic Hybrid ... sheesh, I'll bet you're going to carp
about that too. 49/51 mpg with performance on a par with the NA 1.8 4
cylinder.

Honda just didn't slap the 3.0 liter V6 into the nearest Accord and throw in
the electric motor for grins and giggles. It is a system, a system that
includes the shut down of 3 of the cylinders under the certain conditions,
effectively becoming a 3 cylinder. The Civic has a 1.3 liter 4. Hummm, 1.5
3 cylinder, 1.3 4 cylinder.

The Accord is a larger, heavier car that some people need. Of course you
might want to opt for a Yugo.

Neither of the 4 - 6 passenger Hondas is a failure. Different specs for
different markets, yes but not failures. At least neither of them has had a
massive recall because the gas engines shut down at speed like the Toyota
hybrid. How many were there ... 75,000 or so?

Then there's always that other line of Hondas ... motorcycles.

 

[Michael Pardee]

I don't disagree with you. However, a more modest 4 banger Accord would
very easilly achieve acceptable performance in a hybrid with better
mileage numbers.

I think so, too. Mating a small electric system to a V6 is not really part
of the path forward in hybridization. In fact, I think it's silly. But as
long as it sells, I suppose it is a success.

Mike

 

[Michael Pardee]

I don't disagree with you. However, a more modest 4 banger Accord would
very easilly achieve acceptable performance in a hybrid with better
mileage numbers.

I think so, too. Mating a small electric system to a V6 is not really part
of the path forward in hybridization. In fact, I think it's silly. But as
long as it sells, I suppose it is a success.

Mike

 

[Michael Pardee]

I don't disagree with you. However, a more modest 4 banger Accord would
very easilly achieve acceptable performance in a hybrid with better
mileage numbers.

I think so, too. Mating a small electric system to a V6 is not really part
of the path forward in hybridization. In fact, I think it's silly. But as
long as it sells, I suppose it is a success.

Mike

 

[Gordon McGrew]

I think so, too. Mating a small electric system to a V6 is not really part
of the path forward in hybridization. In fact, I think it's silly. But as
long as it sells, I suppose it is a success.

Mike

I really wonder how much better a 4 would be IF one drives the V6
conservatively. With the ability to switch to three cylinders and
shut down at idle, I bet that you would get very close to the same mpg
if you drive both cars gently. OTOH, if you can't control your right
foot, the V6 will cost more at the pump. No free lunch.

I am glad that Honda is experimenting with performance hybrids. I
kind of wish they would put it on the Civic Si/RSX-S class of cars. I
think that would be a better application.

 

[Gordon McGrew]

I think so, too. Mating a small electric system to a V6 is not really part
of the path forward in hybridization. In fact, I think it's silly. But as
long as it sells, I suppose it is a success.

Mike

I really wonder how much better a 4 would be IF one drives the V6
conservatively. With the ability to switch to three cylinders and
shut down at idle, I bet that you would get very close to the same mpg
if you drive both cars gently. OTOH, if you can't control your right
foot, the V6 will cost more at the pump. No free lunch.

I am glad that Honda is experimenting with performance hybrids. I
kind of wish they would put it on the Civic Si/RSX-S class of cars. I
think that would be a better application.

 

[Gordon McGrew]

I think so, too. Mating a small electric system to a V6 is not really part
of the path forward in hybridization. In fact, I think it's silly. But as
long as it sells, I suppose it is a success.

Mike

I really wonder how much better a 4 would be IF one drives the V6
conservatively. With the ability to switch to three cylinders and
shut down at idle, I bet that you would get very close to the same mpg
if you drive both cars gently. OTOH, if you can't control your right
foot, the V6 will cost more at the pump. No free lunch.

I am glad that Honda is experimenting with performance hybrids. I
kind of wish they would put it on the Civic Si/RSX-S class of cars. I
think that would be a better application.

 

[Michael Pardee]

I really wonder how much better a 4 would be IF one drives the V6
conservatively. With the ability to switch to three cylinders and
shut down at idle, I bet that you would get very close to the same mpg
if you drive both cars gently. OTOH, if you can't control your right
foot, the V6 will cost more at the pump. No free lunch.

I am glad that Honda is experimenting with performance hybrids. I
kind of wish they would put it on the Civic Si/RSX-S class of cars. I
think that would be a better application.

I go along with you. The cylinder shutdown is undoubtedly a plus, since much
of the penalty of a larger engine comes from too little manifold pressure
most of the time.

Hybrids really won't get respect until they provide better performance than
conventional power trains. The sooner the better, I say.

Mike

 

[Michael Pardee]

I really wonder how much better a 4 would be IF one drives the V6
conservatively. With the ability to switch to three cylinders and
shut down at idle, I bet that you would get very close to the same mpg
if you drive both cars gently. OTOH, if you can't control your right
foot, the V6 will cost more at the pump. No free lunch.

I am glad that Honda is experimenting with performance hybrids. I
kind of wish they would put it on the Civic Si/RSX-S class of cars. I
think that would be a better application.

I go along with you. The cylinder shutdown is undoubtedly a plus, since much
of the penalty of a larger engine comes from too little manifold pressure
most of the time.

Hybrids really won't get respect until they provide better performance than
conventional power trains. The sooner the better, I say.

Mike

 

[Michael Pardee]

I really wonder how much better a 4 would be IF one drives the V6
conservatively. With the ability to switch to three cylinders and
shut down at idle, I bet that you would get very close to the same mpg
if you drive both cars gently. OTOH, if you can't control your right
foot, the V6 will cost more at the pump. No free lunch.

I am glad that Honda is experimenting with performance hybrids. I
kind of wish they would put it on the Civic Si/RSX-S class of cars. I
think that would be a better application.

I go along with you. The cylinder shutdown is undoubtedly a plus, since much
of the penalty of a larger engine comes from too little manifold pressure
most of the time.

Hybrids really won't get respect until they provide better performance than
conventional power trains. The sooner the better, I say.

Mike

 

[Kent Finnell]

I go along with you. The cylinder shutdown is undoubtedly a plus, since
much of the penalty of a larger engine comes from too little manifold
pressure most of the time.

Hybrids really won't get respect until they provide better performance
than conventional power trains. The sooner the better, I say.

Mike

Gee, you'd think that Honda would think of that! Whoops, sorry, they did.
The Accord V6 Hybrid performs BETTER than the Accord V6 ICE. Look it up.
Honda also has an experimental hydrogen car being tested by a family in
California and Honda is bankrolling California in setting up a string of
hydrogen stations for infrastructure.

None of this stuff happens overnight, folks. It takes long term planning
and sometimes waiting for the technology to catch up with the concepts.
Hydrogen cars are going to be so damn quite that they should furnish the DVD
sound track from "The Fast and the Furious" for the performance models.

 

[Kent Finnell]

I go along with you. The cylinder shutdown is undoubtedly a plus, since
much of the penalty of a larger engine comes from too little manifold
pressure most of the time.

Hybrids really won't get respect until they provide better performance
than conventional power trains. The sooner the better, I say.

Mike

Gee, you'd think that Honda would think of that! Whoops, sorry, they did.
The Accord V6 Hybrid performs BETTER than the Accord V6 ICE. Look it up.
Honda also has an experimental hydrogen car being tested by a family in
California and Honda is bankrolling California in setting up a string of
hydrogen stations for infrastructure.

None of this stuff happens overnight, folks. It takes long term planning
and sometimes waiting for the technology to catch up with the concepts.
Hydrogen cars are going to be so damn quite that they should furnish the DVD
sound track from "The Fast and the Furious" for the performance models.

 

[Kent Finnell]

I go along with you. The cylinder shutdown is undoubtedly a plus, since
much of the penalty of a larger engine comes from too little manifold
pressure most of the time.

Hybrids really won't get respect until they provide better performance
than conventional power trains. The sooner the better, I say.

Mike

Gee, you'd think that Honda would think of that! Whoops, sorry, they did.
The Accord V6 Hybrid performs BETTER than the Accord V6 ICE. Look it up.
Honda also has an experimental hydrogen car being tested by a family in
California and Honda is bankrolling California in setting up a string of
hydrogen stations for infrastructure.

None of this stuff happens overnight, folks. It takes long term planning
and sometimes waiting for the technology to catch up with the concepts.
Hydrogen cars are going to be so damn quite that they should furnish the DVD
sound track from "The Fast and the Furious" for the performance models.

 

[Alan Browne]

Poor gas mileage? 38 mpg is poor gas mileage? And if it fails at reduced
emissions, how does it meet muster to be on sale in California?

Yes it's poor mileage. A 4 cyl. solution would do even better. That's
the point of hybrid: reduce consumption. Not make minor muscle cars.

And if your needs exceed a Civic LX 4 door?

Hybrid can be scaled up as much as needed for the need. There is no
need for a hybrid passenger sedan to have more than a 4 cyl. engine.
The electric motors will provide the boost for the acceleration and cyl
is more than enough for cruise.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2005/12/16/GR2005121600098.html
refers

 

[Alan Browne]

Poor gas mileage? 38 mpg is poor gas mileage? And if it fails at reduced
emissions, how does it meet muster to be on sale in California?

Yes it's poor mileage. A 4 cyl. solution would do even better. That's
the point of hybrid: reduce consumption. Not make minor muscle cars.

And if your needs exceed a Civic LX 4 door?

Hybrid can be scaled up as much as needed for the need. There is no
need for a hybrid passenger sedan to have more than a 4 cyl. engine.
The electric motors will provide the boost for the acceleration and cyl
is more than enough for cruise.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2005/12/16/GR2005121600098.html
refers

 

[Alan Browne]

Hence the 4 cylinder Civic Hybrid ... sheesh, I'll bet you're going to carp
about that too. 49/51 mpg with performance on a par with the NA 1.8 4
cylinder.

A Civic is too small for a lot of people, including me. An Accord is
"just right" (for me and many people) and 4 cyl/manual is fine for me
now, so why would I need a 6 cyl. hybrid?

The civic could have been 3 cyl or smaller displacement. The idea is to
get accleration from the electric+gas side and cruise+recharge from the
gasoline side. But, people these days seem to be overly concerned with
strong acceleration. It's thrilling, but unneeded.

Honda just didn't slap the 3.0 liter V6 into the nearest Accord and throw in
the electric motor for grins and giggles. It is a system, a system that
includes the shut down of 3 of the cylinders under the certain conditions,
effectively becoming a 3 cylinder. The Civic has a 1.3 liter 4. Hummm, 1.5
3 cylinder, 1.3 4 cylinder.

And they could have achieved better mileage with a 4 banger. What they
wanted to achieve was something with a hybrid label and Jr. Muscle car
acceleration.

I have a 4 cyl. accord (manual). It drives very fast and has good but
not great acceleration. So why would you need a 6 cyl. in a hybrid.
You don't.

3 cyl shut down is good, however you are still dragging around a heavier
engine.

The Accord is a larger, heavier car that some people need. Of course you
might want to opt for a Yugo.

Irrelvant. For a familly of 3, an Accord is a sensible solution. But
it does not need a 6 cyl. engine.

Neither of the 4 - 6 passenger Hondas is a failure. Different specs for
different markets, yes but not failures. At least neither of them has had a
massive recall because the gas engines shut down at speed like the Toyota
hybrid. How many were there ... 75,000 or so?
Irrelevant.

Then there's always that other line of Hondas ... motorcycles.

Irrelvant.

 

[Alan Browne]

Hence the 4 cylinder Civic Hybrid ... sheesh, I'll bet you're going to carp
about that too. 49/51 mpg with performance on a par with the NA 1.8 4
cylinder.

A Civic is too small for a lot of people, including me. An Accord is
"just right" (for me and many people) and 4 cyl/manual is fine for me
now, so why would I need a 6 cyl. hybrid?

The civic could have been 3 cyl or smaller displacement. The idea is to
get accleration from the electric+gas side and cruise+recharge from the
gasoline side. But, people these days seem to be overly concerned with
strong acceleration. It's thrilling, but unneeded.

Honda just didn't slap the 3.0 liter V6 into the nearest Accord and throw in
the electric motor for grins and giggles. It is a system, a system that
includes the shut down of 3 of the cylinders under the certain conditions,
effectively becoming a 3 cylinder. The Civic has a 1.3 liter 4. Hummm, 1.5
3 cylinder, 1.3 4 cylinder.

And they could have achieved better mileage with a 4 banger. What they
wanted to achieve was something with a hybrid label and Jr. Muscle car
acceleration.

I have a 4 cyl. accord (manual). It drives very fast and has good but
not great acceleration. So why would you need a 6 cyl. in a hybrid.
You don't.

3 cyl shut down is good, however you are still dragging around a heavier
engine.

The Accord is a larger, heavier car that some people need. Of course you
might want to opt for a Yugo.

Irrelvant. For a familly of 3, an Accord is a sensible solution. But
it does not need a 6 cyl. engine.

Neither of the 4 - 6 passenger Hondas is a failure. Different specs for
different markets, yes but not failures. At least neither of them has had a
massive recall because the gas engines shut down at speed like the Toyota
hybrid. How many were there ... 75,000 or so?
Irrelevant.

Then there's always that other line of Hondas ... motorcycles.

Irrelvant.

 

[Alan Browne]

Hence the 4 cylinder Civic Hybrid ... sheesh, I'll bet you're going to carp
about that too. 49/51 mpg with performance on a par with the NA 1.8 4
cylinder.

A Civic is too small for a lot of people, including me. An Accord is
"just right" (for me and many people) and 4 cyl/manual is fine for me
now, so why would I need a 6 cyl. hybrid?

The civic could have been 3 cyl or smaller displacement. The idea is to
get accleration from the electric+gas side and cruise+recharge from the
gasoline side. But, people these days seem to be overly concerned with
strong acceleration. It's thrilling, but unneeded.

Honda just didn't slap the 3.0 liter V6 into the nearest Accord and throw in
the electric motor for grins and giggles. It is a system, a system that
includes the shut down of 3 of the cylinders under the certain conditions,
effectively becoming a 3 cylinder. The Civic has a 1.3 liter 4. Hummm, 1.5
3 cylinder, 1.3 4 cylinder.

And they could have achieved better mileage with a 4 banger. What they
wanted to achieve was something with a hybrid label and Jr. Muscle car
acceleration.

I have a 4 cyl. accord (manual). It drives very fast and has good but
not great acceleration. So why would you need a 6 cyl. in a hybrid.
You don't.

3 cyl shut down is good, however you are still dragging around a heavier
engine.

The Accord is a larger, heavier car that some people need. Of course you
might want to opt for a Yugo.

Irrelvant. For a familly of 3, an Accord is a sensible solution. But
it does not need a 6 cyl. engine.

Neither of the 4 - 6 passenger Hondas is a failure. Different specs for
different markets, yes but not failures. At least neither of them has had a
massive recall because the gas engines shut down at speed like the Toyota
hybrid. How many were there ... 75,000 or so?
Irrelevant.

Then there's always that other line of Hondas ... motorcycles.

Irrelvant.

 

[Kent Finnell]

Yes it's poor mileage. A 4 cyl. solution would do even better. That's
the point of hybrid: reduce consumption. Not make minor muscle cars.



Hybrid can be scaled up as much as needed for the need. There is no need
for a hybrid passenger sedan to have more than a 4 cyl. engine. The
electric motors will provide the boost for the acceleration and cyl is
more than enough for cruise.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2005/12/16/GR2005121600098.html
refers

I have to tell you, Alan, but this is America. Need is NOT the criteria,
want is. You get what you want, your perceived need. Others can do the
same. A 4 cyl. Accord may fit your needs/wants. But if a fellow has a wife
and two high school linebackers he needs to transport, he may honestly need
the V6. You don't get to dictate his needs or mine or any of the other 280
million Americans. Frustrating, isn't it?

Companies build to the desires of their customers. Sometimes that gets them
caught in a crack. Witness the current SUV bust. Now if Honda comes up
with a Pilot V6 Hybrid, some of those current and former SUV owners will
flock to it.

Personally I've never needed or wanted a SUV or PU and an Accord coupe or
sedan is probably as large as I'd go, L4 or V6, my choice, NOT your dictate.
Right now I'd like a 2006 Civic Si and screw whatever you think I need.