Yaris, Scion xD, Honda Fit - no water temp gauge

Discussion in 'Fit' started by bubbabubbs, Apr 4, 2008.

  1. bubbabubbs

    jim beam Guest

    i think he's telling you that some people are too stupid to understand
    that a typical gauge doesn't tell people much. and in some rare cases,
    some individuals can't be told anything, no matter how hard it's dumbed
    down.
     
    jim beam, Apr 26, 2008
  2. bubbabubbs

    jim beam Guest

    it's already built in!!!

    see above!

    that's the best of the lot! so why not fit a spare steering wheel while
    you're about it. idiot.
     
    jim beam, Apr 26, 2008
  3. A minority, but fairly large, percentage of car buyers are enthusiasts
    that understand how things work.[/QUOTE]

    And they are not the audience the carmakers want.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Apr 26, 2008
  4. Its also harmless to them. Better yet, after watching a gauge a while,
    they'll learn what it means just like my wife did.[/QUOTE]

    Not harmless at all--it costs the money.

    And 99.99% of the people won't learn and will never care.

    You need to get out more.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Apr 26, 2008
  5. bubbabubbs

    jim beam Guest

    And they are not the audience the carmakers want.
    [/QUOTE]

    nah - there's a HUGE difference between those that /think/ they know and
    those that /actually/ do. i know that from having been on both sides of
    the vehicle fence - pure engineering and technician. even if you gave
    an "enthusiast" a "real" temp gauge, what are you going to do with the
    information? i know a thing or two about vehicle design, but unless i
    had a specific usage/conditions map for my vehicle, i wouldn't be able
    to "use" the readout. and even if i did, it /still/ wouldn't mean
    anything substantive to operation unless it was over spec!
     
    jim beam, Apr 26, 2008
  6. bubbabubbs

    Jeff Guest

    And they are not the audience the carmakers want.[/QUOTE]

    Why not?

    Why do the auto makers care how enthusiastic people are about cars?

    Jeff
     
    Jeff, Apr 26, 2008
  7. bubbabubbs

    Jeff Guest

    And they are not the audience the carmakers want.[/QUOTE]

    Incorrect. They want knowledgeable people to recommend their vehicles to
    their friends, neighbors and family members.

    Jeff
     
    Jeff, Apr 26, 2008
  8. bubbabubbs

    jim beam Guest

    so by looking at the "temperature gauge", you can assess the vehicle's
    performance and reliability and thus offer a sales endorsement? dude,
    you're priceless! keep it rolling - this is great! homer simpson
    builds the canyonero!
     
    jim beam, Apr 26, 2008
  9. bubbabubbs

    Nate Nagel Guest

    Actually, yes you can. e.g. if the temp. creeps up at a stoplight in
    warm weather, even if it never overheats, it's a fair bet that there's a
    failure in the cooling fan controls or else the cooling system is
    partially plugged with rust, scale, or overenthusiastic application of
    "stop leak" products.

    You can't get that kind of info from an idiot light.

    nate
     
    Nate Nagel, Apr 26, 2008
  10. bubbabubbs

    jim beam Guest

    how far do you want to take this? you can go hog wild and measure the
    working temperature of each piston, each bearing and each exhaust valve
    if you really want, and you can justify it in terms of "predicting more
    serious problems". but the reality is, on a properly maintained system,
    this is a zero issue. and it's only vaguely useful on improperly
    maintained ones - just like you describe - because by then, it's usually
    too late.

    it's totally not unreasonable for a manufacturer to assume half-way
    competent standards of maintenance. if those standards are not kept,
    and you describe them perfectly, then i think a manufacturer is
    perfectly entitled to abandon the vehicle [and its instrumentation] to
    its fate.
     
    jim beam, Apr 26, 2008
  11. bubbabubbs

    Dave Kelsen Guest

    Steve,

    the people responding to you are not amenable to logic. Just so you
    know, there are people who understand that in this case, more
    information is either useful or, if discarded/ignored, harmless.

    RFT!!!
    Dave Kelsen
     
    Dave Kelsen, Apr 26, 2008
  12. bubbabubbs

    Dave Kelsen Guest

    This may be the most ironic statement I have ever read.

    RFT!!!
    Dave Kelsen
     
    Dave Kelsen, Apr 26, 2008
  13. Steve,

    the people responding to you are not amenable to logic. Just so you
    know, there are people who understand that in this case, more
    information is either useful or, if discarded/ignored, harmless.[/QUOTE]

    It's not harmless at all--as described earlier in this thread, with
    fluctuating gauges simply reflecting normal operation. But, the
    ignorant people seeing the fluctuation immediately assumed "something's
    wrong," and took the car in for service.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Apr 26, 2008
  14. how far do you want to take this? you can go hog wild and measure the
    working temperature of each piston, each bearing and each exhaust valve
    if you really want, and you can justify it in terms of "predicting more
    serious problems".[/QUOTE]

    That's what Steve and his narrow-minded people want. They don't
    understand the REAL world in which the typical car buyer lives.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Apr 26, 2008
  15. bubbabubbs

    Scott Dorsey Guest

    That's right. In another few years, they'll eliminate ALL the
    instrumentation. No more speedometers, since automated governors
    linked by radio to the electronic highway system will make it
    impossible to speed. No more temperature gauges, voltmeters, or
    oil pressure gauges.

    In the new era, there will just be one light on the dashboard,
    that says "REPLACE CAR" and when it comes on, the GPS system will
    print directions to the nearest GM dealer that you can give to the
    taxi cab driver that Onstar will dispatch.

    Oh, actually, I take that back. They'll still be selling automatics
    with a tachometer, because everybody knows tachometers are cool.
    --scott
     
    Scott Dorsey, Apr 26, 2008
  16. bubbabubbs

    jim beam Guest

    That's what Steve and his narrow-minded people want. They don't
    understand the REAL world in which the typical car buyer lives.
    [/QUOTE]

    doesn't understand the world in which anyone lives.

    once the machine is tested and out the door, the detailed
    instrumentation is done. i have absolutely no desire to know my exhaust
    valve temperatures because i know that they can operate for over 1000
    hours, at the highest temperature the engine can produce, with 99.9999%
    probability that they will remain within spec. any "engineer" or
    "enthusiast" that /thinks/ they need to monitor this situation beyond
    that is either didn't do their homework, is not confident of their own
    abilities or /knows/ they didn't do something right in testing or
    production.
     
    jim beam, Apr 26, 2008
  17. bubbabubbs

    jim beam Guest

    one for you dave:
    http://www.tfot.info/news/1094/some-people-never-learn.html
     
    jim beam, Apr 26, 2008
  18. bubbabubbs

    jim beam Guest

    you've never worked in customer support then...
     
    jim beam, Apr 26, 2008
  19. bubbabubbs

    jim Guest

    but the reality is, on a properly maintained system,

    I thought he was talking about properly maintaining the cooling fans. Some
    people drive cars that have more than a 1000 hours on them.

    -jim


     
    jim, Apr 26, 2008
  20. bubbabubbs

    Nate Nagel Guest

    But that is precisely how most non-enthusiast-owned vehicles are
    maintained. People do the bare minimum to keep the vehicle running, and
    generally plan on trading it in at 5 years old or less, and/or driving
    it until the wheels fall off at 7-8 years old. Do you want to buy a
    used car from one of these people?
    Yes, it is, because those do not reflect reality.
    Sure, but that will drastically affect resale value of used cars, when
    buyers don't want to touch them and/or consider them disposable after a
    couple years and price them accordingly.

    nate
     
    Nate Nagel, Apr 26, 2008
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