World Oil Production to Peak in 2013

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by peakoil, Jun 10, 2009.

  1. peakoil

    peakoil Guest

    Hello,

    does everybody know that according to some Oil Geologists (e.g. Colin
    Campbell) in 2013 the world oil output is going to peak ? Are you
    aware what this does mean for all of us ? We have 4 years from now,
    until there will not be enough energy for travelling, heating and the
    most important for food for everybody of us. Oil prices will begin to
    peak, not 150 USD/barrel, much much higger prices are expected. Many
    people will loose their jobs and many of us will begin to starve.
    Alternatives will also be more expensive since the demand will
    increase astronomically. Alternative energy will also be much much
    more expensive, due to the demand and due to much higher costs. Making
    a wind turbine cost a lot of energy. Making ethanol cost a lot of oil
    (pesticides, insecticides, transportation, production, harvesting,
    fertilizers etc.). Making insulations cost also a lot of oil.



    What is the solution ? The only way is to act now, individually. Now,
    where the oil prices are still cheap, although there is an increase,
    each individual can begin to prepare himself for these hard times in
    near future. Insulation of houses, solar cells, which are now more
    affordable (in ebay 1 W solar cells cost 1 USD or even less), solar
    water heating, solar heating with mirrors reflecting the sunlight to
    your home in winter, making your own wind turbine (a lot of
    instruction of cheap design can be found in the internet), buying a
    plug-in car or a hybrid vehicle, using energy efficient lightning,
    heating with heat pumps, making a winter garden etc. are some of the
    things each of us can do to prepare himself/herself for hard times and
    to save money and energy. There are also ways to save energy and try
    to extend the date a little bit by using the car only when necessary,
    using the bike instead of your car, using public transportation,
    converting the car to methane fueling, saving energy where ever it is
    possible, not only in your home also in your work, etc. will help to
    extend the date.



    The other alternative is to wait until this date, actually the
    economical crisis is in its ending phase and the oil prices will again
    rise to record highs. But this is nothing compared to the prices when
    world oil supplies will deminish 4% yearly. And after this date (2013)
    very very hard times may come. Starvation and even worse things like
    war are the alternative.



    If you act now, you will also help to produce new jobs in your
    country.



    Regards.


    You can find much more on: http://www.peakoil.net/
     
    peakoil, Jun 10, 2009
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  2. peakoil

    News Guest


    Uh, the former NHL Commissioner?
     
    News, Jun 10, 2009
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  3. peakoil

    Tegger Guest


    You're thinking of CLARENCE Campbell, and he was NHL President, not
    Commissioner.

    But when he was President, many players oiled their hair, sometimes into
    peaks, so maybe there's a connection there...somewhere...

    Here's a photo of the famous "Rocket" Richard, a player from Campbell's
    time.
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Maurice_richard_profile.jpg>
    Try and tell me there's no oil in that hair...
     
    Tegger, Jun 10, 2009
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  4. peakoil

    News Guest


    Yep. The bad old days.

    Colin Campbell is currently NHL Senior Executive Vice President (WTF?
    Title inflation?) and Director of Hockey Operations
     
    News, Jun 10, 2009
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  5. peakoil

    Tegger Guest



    And he doesn't even seem to be related to Clarence. Or maybe he's hiding
    that relationship because he doesn't like oiled hair. It's a conspiracy...
     
    Tegger, Jun 10, 2009
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  6. peakoil

    rjdriver Guest


    Don't believe a word of it.

    There is more oil underground that they know what to do with.

    Tens of thousands of years worth of oil.

    There's more oil in the shale in Colorado and Montana than all the oil that
    has been pumped since the beginning of the oil age. And it can be
    economically extracted even if oil were selling for only $30.00/barrel.

    They are hiding oil fields in Prudho Bay. They are pumping natural gas back
    underground just to keep the price where they want it.

    We have been programmed to think of oil as a "fossil fuel". And we have
    been told that we're using it up faster than it is being made. Also not
    true. A recent discovery of oil was carbon dated and found to be only 200
    years old. Oil is being made constantly underground. We will never run out.

    That.s not to say we shouldn't find alternate energy sources. We must.
    It's the only way we will ever be free of the oil and money barons
    controlling our lives.
     
    rjdriver, Jun 11, 2009
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    asadi Guest


    The sooner we use up all the oil, the sooner we get alternative energy...

    John-put the petal to the metal!
     
    asadi, Jun 11, 2009
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    dgk Guest

    I once read somewhere that people in the future will hate us for
    burning all the oil rather than saving some for other (many other)
    uses.
     
    dgk, Jun 11, 2009
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  9. peakoil

    News Guest


    They said the same thing about whale oil.

    ....and mastodon oil, before that.
     
    News, Jun 11, 2009
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  10. peakoil

    Tegger Guest

    4ax.com:



    People were using almost none of that oil until the internal combustion
    engine came along. Farmers had for countless generations regarded "rock
    oil" as a simple nuisance.
     
    Tegger, Jun 11, 2009
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  11. peakoil

    rick++ Guest

    He had said peak was in early 1990s at one time.

    The US and several Oil Majors suggest around 2030-ish.
     
    rick++, Jun 11, 2009
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  12. peakoil

    News Guest

    What was his call on peak whale oil?
     
    News, Jun 12, 2009
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  13. peakoil

    Dillon Pyron Guest

    "Director of Hockey Operations"? As opposed to, say, baseball
    operations? Or cocaine trafficing operations?

    Title inflation? Nah, ego inflation.

    "Hey mister, that's a pretty big title. Can you use it?"
    --

    - dillon I am not invalid

    "Gee, Jimmy,I'm sorry to hear that your girlfriend
    turned out to be a Cylon."
    -Special Agent Tim McGee, "NCIS"
     
    Dillon Pyron, Jun 12, 2009
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  14. peakoil

    News Guest

    "Senior Executive Vice President"
     
    News, Jun 12, 2009
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  15. Bingo!

    It's high time for us to resume a leadership role in alternative
    technology NOT because fossil fuels are getting scarcer but because it's
    the right thing to do in view of being held hostage by numerous third
    rate fiefdoms around the world.

    And I'm not talkin' about wind, solar etc. as they currently stand but
    for revolutionary technology to equal that of fossil fuels played at the
    turn of the 20th century.

    But all this requires leadership and there ain't none of that showin' up...

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Jun 12, 2009
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  16. peakoil

    Tegger Guest



    Actually, a surprisingly small amount comes from
    hostage-taker countries.
    <http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html>

    And even less would come from the hostiles if the US would
    loosen environut and NIMBY rules to allow more drilling on
    US lands. "Leadership" in this case would be more accurately
    described as "backing off", or "getting out of the way";
    a Thomas Jefferson, Grover Cleveland or Calvin Coolidge approach.

    Canada and Mexico aren't particularly hostile to the US. Mexico is
    hobbled by the sort of government currently lusted after by those
    in power in the US for the last 9 years or so, and its output
    is a small fraction of what it could be if individuals not beholden
    to political interests were in charge.

    It's interesting to note how far Venezuela's output has declined
    in the last few years as Chavez has made open war upon the evil
    capitalist foreigners, and chased them out. The /good/ technicians
    have mostly vamoosed, leaving behind the sort of engineers that would
    otherwise work for (ugh) Pemex.





    They are permanent losers, for ever and a day; forever dependent upon
    tax money to even begin to approach break-even for the producers.
    Tax funding will ensure forevermore that they will remain permanently
    unworkable, and forever a ball-and-chain for those forced by the
    tax code to pay for them.

    Petroleum is the only practical energy solution for transportation.




    Ain't gonna happen. Not in your lifetime or in mine, anyway.

    My personal belief (based on nothing but my own personal
    prejudices) is that the future lies in electricity storage,
    or voltage potential, perhaps in the form of batteries.

    When and where, and how? I have no idea. And neither does anyone else,
    the power brokers of Washington included. Unpredictable individuals,
    often mavericks or pariahs, doing unpredictable things with
    unpredictable resources and unpredictable sources of funds, are the
    true founts of technological progress. Government cannot help them,
    but can hinder them most impressively.
     
    Tegger, Jun 13, 2009
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    Jim Yanik Guest

    Hey,foreign countries don't HAVE to sell to us.
    They can keep their oil in the ground.
    But they PROFIT from it greatly.
    We should utilize our domestic petro sources,while we work on alternatives.
    Not tax,freeze or halt domestic petro production,at the cost to our economy
    and safety.
    Buying foreign oil sends money to people who wish to destroy us.
    It also increases the risk to our coastlines from oil spills,which mainly
    occur in shipping oil in tankers.
    Such as?
    all the leadership in the world is not going to bring about a
    "revolutionary technology".(It seems to be HINDERING the process.)
    That's a matter of scientific discovery.
     
    Jim Yanik, Jun 13, 2009
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    Larry in AZ Guest

    Well stated..!

    http://tinyurl.com/cow45
     
    Larry in AZ, Jun 13, 2009
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  19. I should have included as hostile influence that of the speculators who
    are largely unregulated.

    Not necessarily. Rail transport could be largely electric and the
    construction of a hundred nukes as an intermediate measure would go a
    long way in this effort.

    We have to abandon the inefficient such as trucking in favor of rail
    long distance freight.

    Battery technology is coming of age faster than most realize. Two
    hundred mile range is now reality and this covers the needs of better
    than fifty percent of the populace.

    Guv'ment still is and has always been the bottleneck of progress.

    As an aside... Maybe if Yellowstone blows its top, thinking will change.
    After all, it's 30,000 years or so overdue... <G>

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Jun 14, 2009
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  20. peakoil

    Tegger Guest



    Can you name one of those speculators?




    Trucking is the most efficient thing going.

    One problem with rail is severe restrictions on location, and even more
    severe restrictions on timing. It takes days to ship something by rail.
    Our business, just for one, would be dead if we didn't have instant LTL
    trucking available anywhere in Canada and the US. I can have a load at a
    particular dock in Chicago (or from there to our place) in half a day. Try
    that with rail.

    Electric long-distance rail in North America makes no economic sense,
    unless it's diesel-electric, which it already is.
     
    Tegger, Jun 14, 2009
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