Why Are Honda CR-V's Catching Fire?

Discussion in 'CR-V' started by F2004: 15 of 17*, Oct 14, 2004.

  1. October 12, 2004
    Why Are Honda CR-V's Catching Fire?
    By JEREMY W. PETERS
    NYTimes.com

    DETROIT, Oct. 8 - With barely 10,000 miles on the odometer of his 2003
    Honda CR-V sport utility vehicle, the only thing Steve Elder expected
    to smell inside was that new- car scent.

    But as he drove home after having the oil changed last December, his
    CR-V began to fill with smoke.

    "So I got out, obviously, checked under the hood and saw flames coming
    out of the engine," said Mr. Elder, a 35-year-old financial planner
    from North Yarmouth, Me.

    It was not long before the entire vehicle - and a pair of diamond
    earrings Mr. Elder had bought his wife for Christmas - were consumed
    by the fire.

    Mr. Elder's vehicle was one of at least 60 new CR-V's nationwide to
    catch fire suddenly while on the road. In most cases, the vehicles had
    just been serviced for their first oil changes.

    While no injuries have been reported, the National Highway Traffic
    Safety Administration has reopened and upgraded an investigation into
    the CR-V to determine what is making some of them suddenly burst into
    flames, in many cases destroying the vehicles. The expanded inquiry
    covers about 280,000 CR-V's in the 2003 and 2004 model years.

    So far, the investigation has yielded nothing but finger-pointing,
    with Honda blaming dealerships for mishandling oil changes and
    consumer groups accusing the automaker of dodging responsibility.

    "The core issue for us is the issue of improper installation of the
    oil filter," said a Honda spokesman, Andy Boyd. "There doesn't seem to
    be anything else that we can point to."

    In the new phase of its investigation, the safety agency is looking
    beyond the oil filter to see what other factors could be contributing
    to the CR-V fires.

    Rae Tyson, a spokesman for the agency, said, "In this instance, both
    N.H.T.S.A. and Honda initially thought it was merely a problem with
    not executing the oil change properly, and that there didn't seem to
    be anything inherently wrong with the vehicle."

    Mr. Tyson added that while the agency had not found any evidence of a
    manufacturer's defect, the manufacturing and design of the CR-V are
    two of several subjects investigators are now studying.

    Honda and the safety administration thought they had resolved the CR-V
    fires problem this summer. In July, the agency closed a preliminary
    investigation into fires involving 2003 model CR-V's after Honda said
    the problem was a result of faulty oil changes.

    According to documents from the safety administration, Honda said that
    in many of the vehicles that caught fire, mechanics had either not
    properly installed a new oil filter seal or had failed to remove the
    factory-installed seal before putting in the new one.

    With the two seals in place at one time, the new oil filter could not
    create enough suction to prevent oil from leaking out and spilling
    onto the car's hot exhaust system. With an improperly installed seal,
    oil could also seep out onto the exhaust system and cause a fire.

    The documents show that the agency agreed that the problem originated
    at dealerships and service stations and had nothing to do with the
    CR-V's design.

    Honda then sent letters to its dealers warning them of the potential
    fire hazard, and the agency stopped its inquiry.

    The fires, however, did not stop.

    From July 1 to Sept. 9, the date the safety administration reopened
    its investigation into the CR-V, the agency received reports of 18
    more fires.

    The new investigation, known as an engineering analysis, is the most
    exhaustive of the agency's safety inquiries. It is also looking at
    model year 2004 CR-V's because drivers have begun reporting fires in
    those models as well.

    Mr. Tyson said the investigation could have several outcomes, ranging
    from no action to a recall.

    Honda insists the fires are being caused by negligence on the part of
    mechanics and says it is not considering a voluntary recall.

    "You can't recall the process of changing oil, and that really is the
    root problem as we see it today," Mr. Boyd said.

    What is puzzling Honda engineers and other automobile experts who have
    been studying the fires is why they are occurring only in 2003 and
    2004 models.

    "There were no fundamental changes in the vehicle design from 2002 to
    2003, yet we have seen this jump in the number of leaks, and in some
    cases fires," Mr. Boyd said.

    Mr. Boyd said the last significant redesign to the CR-V was in 2001,
    but fires have only recently become a problem.

    Some experts have argued that if the fault lies with mechanics, as
    Honda contends, any vehicle would be prone to the same problems as the
    CR-V.

    "There's something Honda isn't telling the government about this
    vehicle," said Clarence Ditlow, executive director of the Center for
    Auto Safety.

    Mr. Ditlow said the safety agency should order a recall if Honda
    refused to do one voluntarily. "This is an open-and-shut case, so the
    only question for us is, Why haven't they done a safety recall?"

    Gregory Barnett, an automotive and heavy-truck consultant to the
    insurance industry who has written a book about vehicle fires, said
    the CR-V problem appeared to be a result of Honda's design and
    laziness on the part of mechanics.

    The CR-V's oil filter, like those in models from many other
    automakers, is near the exhaust system, which increases the likelihood
    of a fire if the filter leaks, Mr. Barnett said. It is the mechanic's
    job to keep a leak from happening, he added.

    "For somebody to change the oil and not check for a stuck gasket is
    just stupid," Mr. Barnett said. "I can't believe that Honda has had to
    send a letter out saying, 'Hey, guys, check for the oil filter gasket
    - you're setting cars on fire.' "

    Some Honda mechanics disagree.

    In a letter to Automotive News, Jonathan O'Brian, a Honda shop foreman
    in Princeton, N.J., said the close proximity of the oil filter to the
    exhaust system in the CR-V could not be overlooked.

    "With oil changes being relegated to less-experienced technicians and
    the constant pressure to do the job quickly, what is simply a mess on
    any other car is potentially hazardous on a CR-V," he wrote.

    Mr. O'Brian declined to comment further, saying his letter had made
    his superiors at Honda unhappy.

    "I'm better off not saying anything," he said.
     
    F2004: 15 of 17*, Oct 14, 2004
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  2. F2004: 15 of 17*

    Nobody Guest

    Failure to remove the rubber seal from the factory oil filter when it
    sticks to the engine (I assume).
     
    Nobody, Oct 15, 2004
    #2
  3. F2004: 15 of 17*

    TWW Guest

    The filter on my 01 Prelude is right above the exhaust pipe. Virtually
    every time the oil is changed at the dealer, I have oil smoke from oil that
    spilled onto the pipe when the filter was removed. It just burns off -- or
    you can use a degreaser and clean it off yourself. Seems that the CRV has
    the same situation,although I cannot understand why a little oil leaking
    would necessarily cause a fire.
     
    TWW, Oct 17, 2004
    #3
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