When shifting tranny makes noises ..or am I CRAZY??!

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by scube, Jun 3, 2006.

  1. scube

    scube Guest

    Hey all,
    I've got a 1993 Honda Accord with manual transmission. I've
    recently replaced the CV Axles, both front struts and Master Cylinder
    (yay!). I've since noticed that my transmission is make some shifting
    noises. When I'm shifting into a new gear it makes a clicking noise
    (not a quiet noise either) and as well when I let the clutch back in
    and it grabs there is a click.

    I've neglected my car much in the past few years and postponed
    many fixes for many years. I was extremely broke and now I'm not
    extremely broke, so I started replacing bad things, like my CV axles
    and then everything needed fixing. I am addicted to fixing things on
    my car now, so I may just be hearing noises that have always been
    there. I might just be listening more to my car. I might be thinking
    too much about it. BUT, I have NEVER heard this noise in the past.

    It's paid off, so I'm afraid to let it get hurt. It would suck
    right now if I had to get some new car with more money to spend a
    month....

    I've changed out my tranny oil and still the same noise. am I
    crazy?
     
    scube, Jun 3, 2006
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  2. scube

    Earle Horton Guest

    Is it a "click" or a "thunk"? I am guessing engine mounts. Or you somehow
    messed up the CV axle installation.

    Earle
     
    Earle Horton, Jun 4, 2006
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  3. scube

    Earle Horton Guest

    Is it a "click" or a "thunk"? I am guessing engine mounts. Or you somehow
    messed up the CV axle installation.

    Earle
     
    Earle Horton, Jun 4, 2006
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  4. scube

    Guest Guest

    I agree. Logical first thing to look at.

    Maybe OP needs to be sure his axles are in place as they should be.
    My son did axle replacements on one of his Hondas and got a scary surprise..
    The axle popped out on the LA freeway. The axle he got at the parts
    house was not the right one, even though it was supposed to be. There
    must have been more than one axle option that year. Happened a couple of
    years
    ago, so dont remember the exact details.

    Anyway, OP would be strongly advised to find the source of the click.
     
    Guest, Jun 4, 2006
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  5. scube

    Guest Guest

    I agree. Logical first thing to look at.

    Maybe OP needs to be sure his axles are in place as they should be.
    My son did axle replacements on one of his Hondas and got a scary surprise..
    The axle popped out on the LA freeway. The axle he got at the parts
    house was not the right one, even though it was supposed to be. There
    must have been more than one axle option that year. Happened a couple of
    years
    ago, so dont remember the exact details.

    Anyway, OP would be strongly advised to find the source of the click.
     
    Guest, Jun 4, 2006
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  6. scube

    scube Guest

    Click or a thunk? That's a good question. It's a loud click and a soft
    thunk. while trying driving "smoothly" through the gears the car kinda
    has this hard shift to it and jumps just a bit. Though, the noise also
    happens when I shift from neutral to a gear while just rolling and not
    releasing the clutch. So, when shifting into third, for example,
    there is a click when I shift, and a click when I release the clutch.


    I too was thinking engine mounts -today actually. My girlfriend
    drove us down to carrowinds and it was doing the same thing to her, so
    it's not just me or my 'style of shifting'. I've shifted a few cars
    (any car) while the engine is off and I could hear that mechanical
    clicking of moving the parts, but this is quite more audible and while
    the engine is accelerating.

    When the clutch pedal comes down and there is, for lack of a better
    descriptiion, positive torque coming out of the transmission (making
    the car go forward instead of a down shift) the thunk is heard.
    However, I can shift into a 'new' gear and it will make the same thunk.
    not a loud thunk, more of a clunk (click-thunk). By 'new' gear I
    mean, if I'm in second and goto neutral then go into third it will
    thunk, but if I go back to neutral and into third again it won't.
    Everytime I release the clutch pedal when accelerating ("positive
    torque") and the pressure plate (flywheel?, clutch plate?, pressure
    plate? ....I need to look this stuff up!!) grabs the transmission
    there is that thunk.

    This leads me to think transmission, because it does it when I shift
    to a new gearl. I've changed the tranny oil even though the old stuff
    looked fine. Is there anything that can go bad in there or get worn
    too much that could acount for what I hear? The master and slave
    cylinders were changed out two years ago, so I don't think they would
    go bad, or be a culprit of what I hear. There is no slipping or
    anything similar.

    I've helped change CV axles on my car before, so I kinda know what
    it feels like to get that pop when the axle end seats into the
    transmission. I never had any probs from those old ones until I needed
    to replace them many miles later. I put these new ones in back in
    March and with over 1500 miles since then I have only recently heard
    these noises. I don't think it's the CV axles

    there maybe a coincidence thing going with the engine mounts. They
    may be failing, but if so I believe it is slight. I'll check them by
    observing the engine while someone starts to drive the the car, but I
    doubt it is the problem.



    Thank you ALL for the responses and questions. Your help and
    suggestions benefit me tremendously (as well as the cautions).
     
    scube, Jun 4, 2006
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  7. scube

    scube Guest

    Click or a thunk? That's a good question. It's a loud click and a soft
    thunk. while trying driving "smoothly" through the gears the car kinda
    has this hard shift to it and jumps just a bit. Though, the noise also
    happens when I shift from neutral to a gear while just rolling and not
    releasing the clutch. So, when shifting into third, for example,
    there is a click when I shift, and a click when I release the clutch.


    I too was thinking engine mounts -today actually. My girlfriend
    drove us down to carrowinds and it was doing the same thing to her, so
    it's not just me or my 'style of shifting'. I've shifted a few cars
    (any car) while the engine is off and I could hear that mechanical
    clicking of moving the parts, but this is quite more audible and while
    the engine is accelerating.

    When the clutch pedal comes down and there is, for lack of a better
    descriptiion, positive torque coming out of the transmission (making
    the car go forward instead of a down shift) the thunk is heard.
    However, I can shift into a 'new' gear and it will make the same thunk.
    not a loud thunk, more of a clunk (click-thunk). By 'new' gear I
    mean, if I'm in second and goto neutral then go into third it will
    thunk, but if I go back to neutral and into third again it won't.
    Everytime I release the clutch pedal when accelerating ("positive
    torque") and the pressure plate (flywheel?, clutch plate?, pressure
    plate? ....I need to look this stuff up!!) grabs the transmission
    there is that thunk.

    This leads me to think transmission, because it does it when I shift
    to a new gearl. I've changed the tranny oil even though the old stuff
    looked fine. Is there anything that can go bad in there or get worn
    too much that could acount for what I hear? The master and slave
    cylinders were changed out two years ago, so I don't think they would
    go bad, or be a culprit of what I hear. There is no slipping or
    anything similar.

    I've helped change CV axles on my car before, so I kinda know what
    it feels like to get that pop when the axle end seats into the
    transmission. I never had any probs from those old ones until I needed
    to replace them many miles later. I put these new ones in back in
    March and with over 1500 miles since then I have only recently heard
    these noises. I don't think it's the CV axles

    there maybe a coincidence thing going with the engine mounts. They
    may be failing, but if so I believe it is slight. I'll check them by
    observing the engine while someone starts to drive the the car, but I
    doubt it is the problem.



    Thank you ALL for the responses and questions. Your help and
    suggestions benefit me tremendously (as well as the cautions).
     
    scube, Jun 4, 2006
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    Scube,
    check the front tranny mount. It's mounted right where the eng.
    meets the tranny on the lower side.

    Check the "Sway Bar" links. Be sure the rubber isn't gone on them
    where the "link bolts" are attached to the controll arms, and check
    the bushings where the sway bar is mounted to the underbody.


    Those are the 2 most common areas for the noise you're getting,
    under the situation you're getting it.



    As far as the tranny, 5th gear is the weak link on that unit.
    Sounds like yours is working. But, quit shifting it without
    pressing the clutch in, you'll be sorry!!!!!


    any whoooo........

    these may not be your prob,
    but.......

    that's my experience for the most
    likely if the tranny is working good.


    ~:~
    Marsh
    ~sips his crownroyal~
    ~:~
     
    Marsh Monster, Jun 5, 2006
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    Scube,
    check the front tranny mount. It's mounted right where the eng.
    meets the tranny on the lower side.

    Check the "Sway Bar" links. Be sure the rubber isn't gone on them
    where the "link bolts" are attached to the controll arms, and check
    the bushings where the sway bar is mounted to the underbody.


    Those are the 2 most common areas for the noise you're getting,
    under the situation you're getting it.



    As far as the tranny, 5th gear is the weak link on that unit.
    Sounds like yours is working. But, quit shifting it without
    pressing the clutch in, you'll be sorry!!!!!


    any whoooo........

    these may not be your prob,
    but.......

    that's my experience for the most
    likely if the tranny is working good.


    ~:~
    Marsh
    ~sips his crownroyal~
    ~:~
     
    Marsh Monster, Jun 5, 2006
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  10. Look at the torque mounts, not the main engine mounts. There is usually
    two or move of these...

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Jun 5, 2006
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  11. Look at the torque mounts, not the main engine mounts. There is usually
    two or move of these...

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Jun 5, 2006
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    Incorrect,
    there is "usually" NONE of these on this vehical.


    Fact, not Fiction



    ~:~
    MarshMonster
    ~sips his crownroyal~
    ~:~
     
    Marsh Monster, Jun 5, 2006
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    Incorrect,
    there is "usually" NONE of these on this vehical.


    Fact, not Fiction



    ~:~
    MarshMonster
    ~sips his crownroyal~
    ~:~
     
    Marsh Monster, Jun 5, 2006
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  14. Kind of a long shot, but are you sure the axle nuts were torqued enough when
    the CV axles were replaced? If they aren't torqued solidly the splines will
    eat themselves up and cause a creaking that eventually changes to a click.
    It doesn't take the full specified torque to prevent that - at least for a
    while - but the nuts do have to be pretty darned tight.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jun 5, 2006
    #14
  15. Kind of a long shot, but are you sure the axle nuts were torqued enough when
    the CV axles were replaced? If they aren't torqued solidly the splines will
    eat themselves up and cause a creaking that eventually changes to a click.
    It doesn't take the full specified torque to prevent that - at least for a
    while - but the nuts do have to be pretty darned tight.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jun 5, 2006
    #15

  16. I don't know about a "vehical" but most front wheel drive cars have 'em.

    But, I am far from an expert on Honda vehicles...

    JT

    (Who's limited expertise ends with the 1983 model year.)
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Jun 5, 2006
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  17. I don't know about a "vehical" but most front wheel drive cars have 'em.

    But, I am far from an expert on Honda vehicles...

    JT

    (Who's limited expertise ends with the 1983 model year.)
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Jun 5, 2006
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    sorry Grump........

    I'm try'n.

    <g>


    ~:~
    mm
    ~pours grump a cup of coffee.....tips in a little crown royal~

    vehicle,vehicle,vehicle,vehicle.......
    practice makes perfect
    ~:~
     
    Marsh Monster, Jun 6, 2006
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    sorry Grump........

    I'm try'n.

    <g>


    ~:~
    mm
    ~pours grump a cup of coffee.....tips in a little crown royal~

    vehicle,vehicle,vehicle,vehicle.......
    practice makes perfect
    ~:~
     
    Marsh Monster, Jun 6, 2006
    #19
  20. Illiterate **** face:
    2 things we know about you at this point:

    a) you're an alcoholic
    b) you're don't know how to spell

    An uneducated drunk. Nice. Why don't you hang yourself with an
    electrical cord and get *it* over with? You'll feel better
    afterwards, I promise.

    Lg
     
    Lawrence Glickman, Jun 6, 2006
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