What is a power steering grease - where to get one?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Sam Nickaby, Jul 20, 2005.

  1. Sam Nickaby

    Sam Nickaby Guest

    I am rebuilding a steering gearbox that was damaged after an accident. I'd
    posted earlier topic here http://snipurl.com/gdhs. I have all the seals and
    o-rings that I will install. The service manual requires that I use a power
    steering grease but the dealer does not know where to get this grease. What
    is a compatible grease I can use for the steering gearbox?

    Thanks
     
    Sam Nickaby, Jul 20, 2005
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    marks542004 Guest

    I usually solve these problems by a visit to the local auto parts
    store. They usually look it up for me in the maintenance manuals.

    I am surprised the service manual does not give the specification or
    original part number.
     
    marks542004, Jul 20, 2005
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  3. Sam Nickaby

    butch burton Guest

    my 97 accord shop manual from Helms only mentions putting silicone
    grease on the boot end of the rack grooves. In several other places
    they say to apply grease and use the symbol for the typical hand grease
    gun for zerk joints. Also in a couple of places they say to apply
    honda PSF to the surfaces.

    I hope you have the Helms manual - it is really complete and this is a
    complex system.

    good luck
     
    butch burton, Jul 20, 2005
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    Comboverfish Guest

    You can simply coat the seals with Honda P/S fluid - since that is what
    they will see for the rest of their lives. Dunk them in a container of
    P/S fluid immediately before installation to ensure they stay wet.

    You could also use vaseline as an assembly lube; it will dissolve in
    the P/S fluid and cause no problem.

    Do you have the cone shaped installation tool to stretch the seals onto
    the rack end pistons? If not, stretch the seals gently and evenly with
    your fingers before *carefully* placing them over the piston.
    Disregard if you have an aftermarket seal kit with scarf-cut seals.

    Keep in mind that there is a way you can get the high and low pressure
    pipes crossed on your Accord. It's not easy, but the same people who
    can put in an 1157 bulb backwards can also manage this feat, so be
    careful.

    Toyota MDT in MO
     
    Comboverfish, Jul 20, 2005
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  5. Sam Nickaby

    Sam Nickaby Guest

    "Sam Nickaby" wrote
    Help. I have one extra O-ring left unused. There is no where to install it.
    Either this is the first time the Helm service manual has made a mistake
    or I am not being thorough. I can clearly see that the instructions did not
    mention this O-ring but it's drawn on the cover page. Here, take a look.

    http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/6964/oring4fj.gif

    Is this a print error or is this O-ring suppose to be installed somewhere?

    BTW, Thanks for the great advices but still unable to find steering/silicone
    grease. I've already completed my assembly (forgot about Vaseline)
    instead, I used its original grease.
     
    Sam Nickaby, Jul 25, 2005
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    jim beam Guest

    the old grease should be fine. do /not/ use vaseline - it's petroleum
    based.

    silicone greases are stocked at many online industrial supply stores and
    electrical supply stores. a good mechanical grade silicone is "dow
    corning 33", but i don't know for sure it's right for this application
    because it contains a lithium soap. if going the electrical supply
    route, look for "high dielectric" grease. silicone is usually there.
     
    jim beam, Jul 26, 2005
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    TeGGeR® Guest


    Zip Slip is good.
     
    TeGGeR®, Jul 26, 2005
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    Comboverfish Guest

    Egad! It might mix with the hydraulic oil (power steering fluid)...
    which is also petroleum based. If rack seals were inherently
    intolerant to petroleum, they would never last in P/S fluid either.
    Vaseline can be used much the same way it has been used forever in
    automatic trans rebuilds. It's not necessary if you are careful with
    the end seals or use a cone installation tool, but certainly OK. It
    melts away at low temps and dissipates in the system much better and
    safer than a run-of-the-mill bearing type grease.

    Toyota MDT in MO
     
    Comboverfish, Jul 27, 2005
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  9. Sam Nickaby

    jim beam Guest

    well, honda power steering fluid is /not/ compatible with other power
    steering fluids - it wrecks seals. i don't know for sure what the
    situation is, but if it were a silicone oil rather than a mineral oil,
    that could easily account for the manufacturer spec for silicone grease
    and would /definitely/ rule out compatibility with vaseline.
     
    jim beam, Jul 27, 2005
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    Comboverfish Guest

    That's true.
    It is a mineral oil based fluid. Most likely the different additive
    package is what causes seal incompatibility when non Honda fluid is
    used.
    I think this whole silicone grease conversation was in reference to the
    rack boots. Probably something to help keep the rubber soft over the
    years, or possibly to assist in installing the new boots onto the rack
    housing -- or to allow them to spin freely vs. twist during toe
    adjustment. I couldn't make out exactly what the OP was refering to, I
    was just offering a suggestion to keep the very fragile end seals from
    getting nicked during installation.

    Toyota MDT in MO
     
    Comboverfish, Jul 27, 2005
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  11. Sam Nickaby

    Sam Nickaby Guest

    Vaseline might help to slip the rack into the seal because I didn't use a
    cone. It may also help to install other areas. I cringe every time it slip the
    end seals pass the rack since the PSF didn't help. Your advice regarding
    stretching the seals onto the rack end pistons with our fingers help
    because the dealer won't sell the cone installer.

    Here are some helpful advices in case anyone needs to fix a rack leak. The
    most essential parts are the Genuine parts, picture 47 part number 91354-
    SA5-952 O-RING (24.5X2) $0.29 and picture 23 53633-SE0-953
    (requires two gasket) CYLINDER END seal $0.88 or 88 cents each. Or
    buy the gearbox at $751.00. The insurance agency valued my salvage Honda
    for $250 after the accident so I had to fix it.

    The service manual requires that we replace all the seals, but I could get
    away with only four. It's unjustified to replace only four seals or
    o-rings.

    Parts.
    http://www.slhondaparts.com/images/PCI/13SE00/010/9.jpg
    Mirror site.
    http://www.yourimg.com/?img=05/214/17/rack.jpg
    Best deal store
    http://www.slhondaparts.com/
     
    Sam Nickaby, Aug 2, 2005
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