What is a dwell meter?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by hutchtoo, Sep 3, 2005.

  1. hutchtoo

    hutchtoo Guest

    Tegger's FAQs has references to dwell meters - e.g for testing the coil. I
    have never heard of a dwell meter before and they aren't widely available
    from what I can tell..

    Wondering if my digital electric multimeter can do this diagnostic...?
    Starting Problems
    .... is this: Connect a dwell meter to the negative coil terminal and to
    ground.
    Crank the engine: No dwell, bad igniter; Dwell but no spark, bad coil. ...
    www.tegger.com/hondafaq/startproblems.html
     
    hutchtoo, Sep 3, 2005
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    jim beam Guest

    unless it's the automotive variety, probably not. but don't worry about
    it. if your car has electronic ignition, it's irrelevant because
    "dwell" is all determined by the ecu or ignition module. all that
    matters is that the igniter switches, that the coil fires, and that the
    plugs spark.

    use of the word "dwell" is a throwback to the old days of contact
    breakers where the contacts had to "dwell" for long enough to energize
    the coil. too little dwell, not enough spark energy, especially at high
    rpm's. too much, coil ran too hot.
     
    jim beam, Sep 3, 2005
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  3. In the old mechanical breaker points ignition systems, dwell angle is
    the angle of rotation of the distributor through which the mechanical
    points are "closed. The points must remain closed for a sufficient
    time to store energy in the coil sufficient to produce a good, hot
    spark at the plug when the points open. In a four cylinder engine,
    dwell angle is typically around 60 degrees.

    There is an equivalent measurement in an electronoic ignition system
    that is usually called dwell, but it is not properly dwell in the old
    contact points sense. This quantity is electronically controlled. I am
    not sure what an old fashioned dwell meter would be measuring in a
    modern electronic ignition engine. However, I do not think it would be
    useful information. There is typically no way to make adjustments on
    most electronic ignition systems anyway.

    Hope this helps.

    Elliot Richmond
    Freelance Science Writer and Editor
     
    Elliot Richmond, Sep 3, 2005
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    Randy Hunt Guest

    The 'Old' Dwell meters were usually based on continuity testers. I
    suppose you could measure continuity with it. I have seen articles in
    the electronic trade magazines about using Volt-Ohm (V.O.M.)meters for
    measuring point dwell. This was back in the late sixties and early
    seventies. I know I'm showing my age here.

    Randy
     
    Randy Hunt, Sep 4, 2005
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  5. Young whippersnapper!

    My dwell meter scale read in degrees. I never took it apart but my
    guess was that it was some sort of RC circuit (or maybe IRC) with a
    voltmeter reading the potential across the capacitor. The longer the
    dwell, the more charge the capacitor would accumulate, and the higher
    the voltage, which would then read as a larger dwell angle.


    Elliot Richmond
    Freelance Science Writer and Editor
     
    Elliot Richmond, Sep 4, 2005
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  6. hutchtoo

    Matt Ion Guest

    That's how I would build one - dead simple :)
     
    Matt Ion, Sep 4, 2005
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  7. hutchtoo

    Randy Hunt Guest

    Some of them would simply let the longer the dwell be indicated by the
    lower resistance read. Letting the mechanical inertia of the meter
    integrating the pulses into a smooth reading.

    Randy
     
    Randy Hunt, Sep 4, 2005
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    Matt Ion Guest

    There should be no change in resistance - either it's infinite (points
    open) or near-zero (points closed).
    That's how almost all tachometers work.
     
    Matt Ion, Sep 5, 2005
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    Sam Nickaby Guest

    Replace the dwell with a spare bulb from the taillights.
    Yes/No. If the coil is severely dead there is no load. And no
    load = no signal. That's why the bulb works.
     
    Sam Nickaby, Sep 6, 2005
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  10. hutchtoo

    Sam Nickaby Guest

    A dwell meter can measure fuel injector's richness, although
    the correct way is to measure current.
     
    Sam Nickaby, Sep 6, 2005
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    chip Guest


    dwell is the number of degrees the points were open, for an
    ignitior it's faster to use a common test light.
    Chip
     
    chip, Sep 7, 2005
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