UAW forced to be paid as a Southern Foreign factory worker.

[Rock Hardson]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/19/AR2008121903856.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR

The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered to join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker but they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID can people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting the same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher standard of life and there would have been an even playing field for all manufactures from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guess the article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker will be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern worker. Its a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or will a segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount of money???

 

[E. Meyer]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/19/AR200812190385
6.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR

The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered to join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker but they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID can people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting the same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher standard of life and there would have been an even playing field for all manufactures from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guess the article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker will be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern worker. Its a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or will a segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount of money???

If the Southern workers had joined the union and tried to force Detroit style pay and benefit packages, then the Japanese plants would all be in Mexico (just like many GM and Mercedes plants already are).

 

[septicman]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/19/AR200...

The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered to join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker but they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID can people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting the same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher standard of life and there would have been an even playing field for all manufactures from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guess the article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker will be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern worker. Its a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or will a segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount of money???

I make it a point to NEVER buy any car, new or used, assembled by UAW dumb-**** overpaid slob morons...

There is not a single UAW leak in possession of a skill set worth their extortionistic wage and benefit package. Back in the sixties, 8th. grade dropouts all over the country would wind up getting $25/hr. to slap hubcaps on Fords and Chevys. **** the UAW and anyone who supports them.

 

[Guest]

Stupid.... interesting term that could be applied to many different groups of people...

Stupid... as in customers continuing to pay prices that have been driven high by over-priced wage packages for union workers? Come on... this is assembly line work... put tab A in slot B... what rolls off the end of the line could be a toaster, a car or Mattels latest toy... It ain't rocket science.

Someone is signing the cheque for this, doofus.... and that would be the consumer...

Where I live, we have a labour shortage.... our local McDonalds is offering $13 per hour.... I wonder how many 99 cent burgers you need to sell to make that idea profitable?

I'm sure that all of your fellow Americans will love the hell out of you calling them "ignorant".

 

[Rock Hardson]

If the Southern workers had joined the union and tried to force Detroit style pay and benefit packages, then the Japanese plants would all be in Mexico (just like many GM and Mercedes plants already are).

I got news for you, japanese are already in Mexico.
The US is there because of the Bush/Clinton NAFTA sellout/New world Order BS.

 

[Rock Hardson]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/19/AR200...

The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered to join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker but they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID can people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting the same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher standard of life and there would have been an even playing field for all manufactures from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guess the article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker will be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern worker. Its a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or will a segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount of money???

I make it a point to NEVER buy any car, new or used, assembled by UAW dumb-**** overpaid slob morons...

There is not a single UAW leak in possession of a skill set worth their extortionistic wage and benefit package. Back in the sixties, 8th. grade dropouts all over the country would wind up getting $25/hr. to slap hubcaps on Fords and Chevys. **** the UAW and anyone who supports them.

Yeh...and its just fine to that Japanese CEO get billions in return for paying workers $14 and hour to screw on a bolt over and over and over again 8 hours a day. You try doing that and see if you don't go crazy. If you have a job doing crazy mind draining activity at least make it worth your while and get paid for it. And I bet if your father was putting bread on your table for screwing on a bolt, you would have no problem at all buying American would you?

 

[Gosi]

Stupid.... interesting term that could be applied to many different groups of people...

Stupid... as in customers continuing to pay prices that have been driven high by over-priced wage packages for union workers? Come on... this is assembly line work... put tab A in slot B... what rolls off the end of the line could be a toaster, a car or Mattels latest toy... It ain't rocket science.

Someone is signing the cheque for this, doofus.... and that would be the consumer...

Where I live, we have a labour shortage.... our local McDonalds is offering $13 per hour.... I wonder how many 99 cent burgers you need to sell to make that idea profitable?

I'm sure that all of your fellow Americans will love the hell out of you calling them "ignorant".

The quality control of Toyota is done by each worker.
If someone notices that something is missing from a former step they pull the chain and stop the line. In the beginning the line was stopping all the time. Then the quality improved and the line hardly ever needs to be stopped.

In GM they did not dare to do it so inspection is done after the car has been sold and the customer finds something wrong. First they deny the problem and then the customer gets angry and stoppes buying GM cars.

That is a major difference and I have been waiting to see how long this could go on like this.

It is very exciting to see that GM is finally dead and the prolonged funeral is taking place over the next months.

RIP

 

[Rock Hardson]

Stupid.... interesting term that could be applied to many different groups of people...

Stupid... as in customers continuing to pay prices that have been driven high by over-priced wage packages for union workers? Come on... this is assembly line work... put tab A in slot B... what rolls off the end of the line could be a toaster, a car or Mattels latest toy... It ain't rocket science.

Someone is signing the cheque for this, doofus.... and that would be the consumer...

Where I live, we have a labour shortage.... our local McDonalds is offering $13 per hour.... I wonder how many 99 cent burgers you need to sell to make that idea profitable?

I'm sure that all of your fellow Americans will love the hell out of you calling them "ignorant".

What do you know about fellow Americans when you would rather see your dollars go to Japan rater than keep it here providing a stronger US economy. I bet you are one who would rather see 100s of thousands om AMERICANS lose jobs rather than bail out the US auto industry.

 

[septicman]

I make it a point to NEVER buy any car, new or used, assembled by UAW dumb-**** overpaid slob morons...

There is not a single UAW leak in possession of a skill set worth their extortionistic wage and benefit package.  Back in the sixties, 8th. grade dropouts all over the country would wind up getting $25/hr. to slap hubcaps on Fords and Chevys.  **** the UAW and anyone who supports them.

Yeh...and its just fine to that Japanese CEO get billions in return for paying workers $14 and hour to screw on a bolt over and over and over again 8 hours a day. You try doing that and see if you don't go crazy. If you have a job doing crazy mind draining activity at least make it worth your while and get paid for it. And I bet if your father was putting bread on your table for screwing on a bolt, you would have no problem at all buying American would you?- Hide quoted text -

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The UAW is living proof that one does not need to invest in oneself in terms of high skills and knowledge. That, in and of itself, is anathema to capitalism.

 

[e.meyer]

I got news for you, japanese are already in Mexico.
The US is there because of the Bush/Clinton NAFTA sellout/New world Order BS.

Yes they are already in Mexico, and if the workers in the Southern US states had sold out to the UAW, all those Southern US factories would be gone, or never built in the first place.

You are obviously a union troll.

 

[Guest]

I would rather keep my dollar HERE making for a stronger Canadian economy you self centered bastard...

As for my dollars going to Japan? Two Fords, a Harley Davidson and a holiday trailer made in fucking Colorado are parked in my driveway and you have the temerity to speak untruths???? My money goes to Japan? ****... even kittens eventually open their eyes... FWIW, I'm a tech in a Ford store - in order to pay those overpriced whining bastuhds, Ford has re-engineered the labour rates that techs are paid for warranty repairs.... raped is about the best word you could use there.

And now you are changing the tune you are playing... we have gone from getting paid an appropriate wage to "losing jobs". The Japs are paying assembly line labour pretty much what assembly line labour is worth... to pretend it is worth more only drives the cost of the product higher...or haven't you heard the term "inflation" before?

 

[K J]

I got news for you, japanese are already in Mexico.
The US is there because of the Bush/Clinton NAFTA sellout/New world Order BS

Oh, and don't forget the black helicopters.

 

[Moses]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/19/AR200...

I'm sorry the workers may lose benefits but, the option is to shut down American Auto companies. To understand, look at the history. Unions organized in the 1930s and became very powerful by 1950. With unsustainable profits and prosperity in the 1950s, the companies met most union demands to keep the production lines rolling. Today, on the other hand, the 3 remaining auto makers are on the brink of banruptcy and most American consumers are unable to buy a 35,000 automobile. I'd like to see all auto makers unionised but I'd also like to see the price of cars reduced. Lets hope the OBama guys make significant advances to level the plying field for all auto makers. The Japanese companies have no retired pensioners to support but companies like GM have thousands. Auto makers in foreign countries can rely on the government to provide health care while here health care costs knock your socks off. Hospital fees, like union benefits, are based on a level of prosperity that hasn't existed in America for 40 years. It's funny the administration demands auto makers to get rid of all corporate jets. What about eliminating air force one? And what about all those congressmen and Senators who are flown wherevever they want to go by military aircraft?

 

[Mike Hunter]

You are almost correct for change, worker in domestic assembly can't pull a chain. They have to push the big red stop button to halt the line when someone caused an error or notices that something is missing to stop the line when there is a problem.

Why don't you say in my opinion when you post your goofy comments? You are entitled to that, but at least then you will simply appear to be uninformed and not just stupid LOL

 

[edspyhill01]

Yes they are already in Mexico, and if the workers in the Southern US states had sold out to the UAW, all those Southern US factories would be gone, or never built in the first place.

You are obviously a union troll.

What do you do for a living?

 

[edspyhill01]

Stupid.... interesting term that could be applied to many different groups of people...

Stupid... as in customers continuing to pay prices that have been driven high by over-priced wage packages for union workers? Come on... this is assembly line work... put tab A in slot B... what rolls off the end of the line could be a toaster, a car or Mattels latest toy... It ain't rocket science.

Someone is signing the cheque for this, doofus.... and that would be the consumer...

Where I live, we have a labour shortage.... our local McDonalds is offering $13 per hour.... I wonder how many 99 cent burgers you need to sell to make that idea profitable?

I'm sure that all of your fellow Americans will love the hell out of you calling them "ignorant".

Just 8% of a car's cost is labor. Fifty percent is parts. The rest, 42%,is sucked up do-nothing, fat-assed managers - the real cause for the decline of American business. In a Japanese car company the manager who has to layoff people must lay himself off. Never happens in American corporations. Management is like a diaper, always on your ass and always full of shit.

When I have a UK manager, I'm managed in an enlightened way. Never happens with American managers.

 

[Gosi]

Just 8% of a car's cost is labor.  Fifty percent is parts.  The rest, 42%,is sucked up do-nothing, fat-assed managers - the real cause for the decline of American business.  In a Japanese car company the manager who has to layoff people must lay himself off.  Never happens in American corporations.  Management is like a diaper, always on your ass and always full of shit.

When I have a UK manager, I'm managed in an enlightened way.  Never happens with American managers.

The manager was trying to make a decision about Jack and Jill. He is talking to Jill and says I am not sure if I should lay you or Jack off. She answered that he should jack off.

 

[Jack (3)]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/19/AR2008121903856.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR

The article states that the southern japanese factory worker was offered to join the union bringing wages on par to its northern American worker but they opted to stay bare foot and po' for japanese pennies. How STUPID can people be! If they had simply joined the union they would be getting the same exact pay and benefits as the northern worker living a higher standard of life and there would have been an even playing field for all manufactures from the start. For years it has been said that the Japanese choose the southern worker simply to take advantage of there ignorance. I guess the article proves they were right about that one. Now the northern worker will be forced to be dragged down to the level of pay of the southern worker. Its a simple question of is everyone on board to make a lot of money or will a segment of the community just drag others down to make a lesser amount of money???

So a bail will do what ?? There's hundreds of thousands of their cars sitting unsold on car lots...oh yeah, lets get them back to work to make many more thousands of cars that nobody wants so they came park them on lots.

I'd personally like to see all three go down the tubes...get rid of their management, unions, and baggage. Let the Jap companies buy up the corpses and resurrect them into efficient concerns.

 

[cleanwindshield]

So a bail will do what ??  There's  hundreds of thousands of their cars sitting unsold on car lots...oh yeah, lets get them back to work to make many more thousands of cars that nobody wants so they came park them on lots.

I'd personally like to see all three go down the tubes...get rid of their management, unions, and baggage.  Let the Jap companies buy up the corpses and resurrect them into efficient concerns.

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[Mike Marlow]

Yeh...and its just fine to that Japanese CEO get billions in return for paying workers $14 and hour to screw on a bolt over and over and over again 8 hours a day. You try doing that and see if you don't go crazy.

It does not matter if it drives them crazy. If they want more interesting work then let them get off their duff and get an education or develop skills that will afford them those opportunities. Boring work is not a justification for pay. If you don't have a lot to offer, you do the crummy work for the crummy pay.

If you have
a job doing crazy mind draining activity at least make it worth your while and get paid for it.

At minimum wage those people would indeed be getting all the pay worthwhile. Don't like crazy mind draining activity? Then get off your duff and improve yourself. Quit crying about mind draining activity.

And I bet if your father was putting bread on your
table for screwing on a bolt, you would have no problem at all buying American would you?

I have no problem buying either American or import and my father is dead, so he's not putting bread on the table for screwing in a bolt. He did however, instill in us a drive to work for what you want and not rely on lame whines like "mind draining". He taught us that if we don't like where we are/what we're doing, then improve yourself in order to move on past it. You might want to try the same.