protectionist b.s.

all 12? and both [as in TWO] fatal crash vehicles were operated by
drivers apparently incapable of using brakes, ignition switch and
neutral transmission that would have prevented anything other than
inconvenience of having to pull over to the side of the road.

frod sell /more/ - MANY more vehicles with faulty throttles. wtf is the
outrage over that? same with bmw.

yeah - our elected "representatives" that are accepting the detroit
[translation: foreign importer] dollar ahead of domestically [toyota]
produced vehicles.

oh, #2 exists all right.

 

no, i mean the us protectionism that hypocritically masquerades detroit
brands as "domestic" when all the brakes, steering gear, driveshafts,
instruments, seats, etc. are imported from china killing american companies.

cash for clunkers was ridiculously ill-conceived idiocy. it would have
been cheaper and better for the american public to divide the money
among the few remaining detroit workers and close the money-sucking
dinosaurs for which they "work".

go to a junk yard buddy. you'll see domestic vehicles by the thousand,
10 years and younger. you'll see japanese 15 years and older. the
domestics are worn out. the japanese are there simply because their
drivers got bored.

nothing speaks to reliability facts better than a junkyard.

hey, i'm a patriot and i'll always buy domestic when it makes sense.
but detroit vehicles are unbelievable crap. and i don't like being
ripped off by mercenary a-holes that try to sell me vehicles they /know/
to be defective - frod and their exploder fiasco. and i don't like
having to pay through the nose to keep gas guzzling unreliable pieces of
s. on the road when i can buy japanese and actually get a reliable vehicle.

telling the truth is fair play. detroit produces garbage and expects
the tax payer to bail out their inability to produce vehicles properly.

ok dude, now you're just a bullshitter.

 

Obama is a union stooge. He's even admitted it.

 

There's something to that, too. Now that this is in the news,
incidents will spike simply because now EVERYTHING will be blamed
on stuck pedals until proven otherwise.

See here for more:
<http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2010/02/03/terence-corcoran-the-war-on-toyota.aspx>

 

So what? Maybe the Japs simply don't like our cars. Ever thought of that?
If WE won't buy them, why would THEY?

There's a reason Toyota has the market share they do, in spite of all the
hatred directed against them from certain quarters.

 

What about Ford? They account for 28% of SUA incidents. How come nobody's
up in arms about that?

Twelve confirmed stuck-pedal incidents in 2.3 million vehicles. That's
0.00052%.

And of the five deaths so far, at least four had nothing to do with the CTS
pedal assembly.

Like the labor unions. They stand to gain mightily from this, in addition
to getting revenge against Toyota for shutting down NUMMI.

No, but "Fact #1" seems to be heavily overblown just now...

 

I don't think so. I suddenly was passing 2 or three on my way to work every
day & they weren't just Fords. Toyota 4 runners, Nissan Pathfinders, you
name it. It was suddenly, locally, just like the Simpsons episode (gentle
sweeping curve and all the SUVs on the road fell over and exploded). I have
little doubt what was going on.

This I do believe.

 

here's a timely article today about auto electronic systems and the Toyota
problems;
Prius Problems Put Spotlight On Car Electronics
http://newsmax.com/US/US-TEC-Toyota-Car/2010/02/04/id/349021

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

 

(Cross postings deleted, automatically)

What is the name of that river in Egypt?

 

I would redirect your attention to the overblown Explorer fiasco. Seems like
there were quite a few up in arms about that. Could it possibly be that of
the 28% of SUA incidents you attribute to Ford that only a miniscule part
were mechanical failures? Just asking.
What I have noticed is this - there is a certain fraction of the population
(any population) that is overjoyed to see one of the "Big Dogs" get whipped.
I would bet that there was a similar reaction to Ford's problems, to GM's
misfortunes, and if Ferrari or Rolls-Royce suffered a similar disaster,
there would be a collection of "experts" that would be delighted and would
go out of their way to denigrate the marque.....I guess its just human
nature to rejoice when the high and mighty are fallen.
DaveD

 

overblown??? not only did frod do their classic "it's cheaper to pay
settlements to the families of the bereaved than do a recall" math, they
knew that vehicle to be fatally flawed before they even brought it to
market. and to top even that sociopathy, they spent hundreds of
millions pitching the ridiculous concept that cabin collapse and
subsequent crushing of occupants was caused by tire failure!!!

no dude, the exploder fiasco was very much underblown. hundreds died
and frod execs should be in jail - it was nothing less than
manslaughter. political complicity covered frod's ass, just as it's
trying to **** toyota's now.

 

Dare we say Class Action Lawsuit? Everyone affected will get $2500
off their next new Toyota purchase, and the lawyer firm will get
millions.....

 

september.org:

More likely you'll just get a coupon for $10 off your next oil change.

That's a certainty. That's what mass tort is for.

 

Hey Mike. You might want to watch this video on runaway Ford
Exploeres. This seems to be a problem in UK and Australia.

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eGTqKn_ihc

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIuFXy2Zi2g&feature=related


I like the part where they try to blame it on floor mats.

 

Geeze, you drove a Prius for a whole summer without any braking
problems, and that proves it is great automobile.

Ok/


I have driven A WHOLE BUNCH OF GM CARS FOR OVER 34 YEARS with 'no
glitches, flaws or mistakes in performance anywhere".


I would recomend any of them for driveability, as well.


Of course, my 34 years of GM dont count for much, because you drove a
TOYOTA FOR A WHOLE SUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I guess that makes you an expert on the reliablity on Toyota products.


And, I guess, I need to own GM products for another 34 years before I
begin to know anything about them.





You really sound stupid when you try to say the couple of miles you
drove this car proves it is better than a brand that someone else has
driven for HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MILES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Without sludge problems.



Or accelerator sticking problems.




Or rusting problems.




Or breaking problems.





Of course, none of the above problems really exist on Toyotas.




You know that because you drove a Prius for a summer.



Get a grip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!








"They are being set up."




I argued GM was being unfairly slammed for many years.


Your turn to argue Toyota is being done the same way.


I would wish you good luck in your crusade to prove they ain/t being
done the same way, but I dont want to be a liar.


I hope they have to recall another 20,000,000 vehicles, and listen to
the likes of you try to defend it.

 

As do # 1 and #3.

 

You competly miss my point of JAPANESE protectionism regarding
American nameplates, and at the same time lie about "all" parts
(paraphrasing here) on domestic vehicles come from China.


Far from the truth, of cours, but believe what you want, just as you
believe a few days driving a Prius while being lucky enough to not
have brake problems "prove" the problem is pollitically motivated by
the US.

And yet, you miss my point by a few light years.


My point is, "WHY DID THE JAPANESE NOT INCLUDE AMERICAN NAMEPLATES IN
THEIR CASH FOR CLUNKERS PROGRAM???


If the American nameplates are the junk that you suggest they are, no
one in Japan would buy them in the first place.


If that is the case, why doesn't Japan allow a true free market, and
allow US vehicles be sold in Japan without restrictions?????


I American cars were the junk the likes of you suggest, no one in
Japan would buy them if the first place.


Of, course, the way Japan has is set up, no one really gets the chance
to buy them in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or the highway.

Take any year you want: 1995, 2007,1988, 1993, or whatever.

See how many American namelates are on the road compared to their
"superior" Japanese conterparts.


I bet you would be surprised.

Once again you are pulling a Cyndi Lauper and are displaying your
"true colors"

you are biased to the nth degree as far as American nameplates go.

"domestic crap"

"unbelievable crap"

"unreliable pieces of s"


All untrue, of course.

Your one summer of Prius driving does not "prove" American nameplates
are bad.

No, just facts, even if you don't want to believe them.


Check it out, not hard to find.

 

If that is the case, why not let the free market decide???????????????

If you are right, the Japanese would NOT buy US products.

But, of course, they MIGHT buy US if they HAD THE CHANCE TO DO SO IN
THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The GOVERNMENT restricts the number of US imports sold in Japan.

If there were "TRUE FREE TRADE", and the Japanese still didn't buy
from the USA, you might have a point.

But, being they are not allowed to so IN THE FIRST PLACE, you simply
make a moot point/


Why not give the Japanese the CHOICE TO REJECT US
NAMEPLATES?????????????????


Maybe because the Japanese government fears the public might not do
so???????

 

what about the hundreds of frods and bmw's with throttle problems? why
is the whitehouse not announcing investigations into those given that
they outnumber toyota "problems" >100:1?

 

that doesn't explain why japanese vehicles sell so well in all the other
markets where u.s. manufacturers are free to compete.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry#By_Manufacturer

note that

1. vw outsells gm globally for cars.

2. gm's non-domestic product line includes opel, a range of cheap,
small, efficient vehicles with global appeal that sell well in other
markets [but they don't make them here]. they have a real hard time
selling their domestic product line overseas and they'd be sunk if they
were so trying.

fact is, the japanese make better, more reliable vehicles that sell well
in every market in the world. u.s. domestic vehicles have very limited
appeal outside domestic markets so this "protectionist" argument doesn't
wash..