OT Cheney - Cutting Gas Tax Stupid

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Don't Taze Me, Bro!, Jun 3, 2008.

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    Cheney says what most of us already know, cutting the federal gas tax
    between memorial and labor day is pointless and does nothing but cut 10
    billion in taxes.

    As was pointed out earlier, the average savings is 28 dollars for each
    american for 5 months.
     
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    jim beam Guest

    troll.
     
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  3. For posting an OT? Geeze, everyone is a troll these days when they don't
    post something we like.
     
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    dgk Guest

    The thing that I find amazing is that Cheney is apparently correct
    about something.
     
    dgk, Jun 3, 2008
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  5. Cheney? Too tall to be a troll, except perhaps the large ones you find
    in the Hobbit. Perhaps more of a goblin, or maybe one of those
    oversize orcs.
     
    still just me, Jun 3, 2008
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    D. Guest

    CHENEY SUCKS !!!!!!!!!


     
    D., Jun 4, 2008
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  7. Cheny is a fuckwad, but he is right. Increasing demand does not lower
    the price.

    What we should do is raise the tax to cut wasteful consumption. Then
    offset the increase by giving a limited tax credit to family tax payers
    with under 100k net income (single filers 50k,) $0 credit for those
    over. That way we keep the tax of the backs of those that can least
    afford it and punish the Hummer drivers. This will spur growth of
    Hybrid and alternative fuels. You know damn well that if it hurts the
    rich that they will start doing something about it. Increase the tax
    monthly until they cry uncle.
     
    Just Me (remove, Jun 4, 2008
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    Bill Putney Guest

    You're forgetting/ignoring the serious overhead cost of employing people
    (within gubmint) to administer your system that does nothing but move
    money around. The amount of money that goes in to be re-distributed
    (for punishment and reward) will come out of the other end of the
    gubmint pipeline as a much smaller amount and will be a net loss to the
    economy. For the same reason, you can't hook a motor and a generator
    together, start them spinning, and feed the gerneator output to the
    input of the motor and expect them to keep spinning (much less create a
    net gain of power). Inefficiencies in the gubmint of administering such
    a program are probably worse than in my motor/generator analogy (for
    reference, see "perpetual motion").

    Like most liberal schemes, there will be pretended "unintended
    consequences" and a net unavoidable loss to the economy and the quality
    of life. Liberalism always achieves the exact opposite of it's stated
    intent (better quality of life vs. degraded quality of life).

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with the letter 'x')
     
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    Joe Guest

    The solution to any problem is NEVER more taxes. It is not the
    government's job to regulate the actions of the people.

    The solution is to let the price continue to be determined by supply
    and demand. If the price gets so high that people start actually
    curbing their use of fuel, the price will drop. It has probably
    already hit that point, and the price will likely settle around $3.75
    per gallon for regular unleaded.

    The oil companies have no responsibility to the customer other than to
    provide the product at whatever price people are willing to pay for
    it. The price at which they are able to sell all the oil they want
    for the most amount of cash. This is good for the stockholders, and
    therefore exactly what the executives should do.
     
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    dgk Guest

    One large factor in rising gas prices is the falling dollar. It's
    falling because we're spending a $trillion on a war to take over Iraq.

    And of course it's the government's job to regulate the actions of
    people. That's why we have a government. Otherwise we have a free for
    all.

    I don't mind tax and spend Democrats; that's the way government is
    supposed to operate. My problem is the borrow and spend Republicans.
     
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    Klark Kent Guest

    In message dgk
    Thomas Jefferson on Line One. And he's pissed.
     
    Klark Kent, Jun 5, 2008
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  12. He's been pissed since Bush started ignoring his duty to protect the
    Constitution = and in fact, directly violating it - around 2001.
     
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    Dano58 Guest

    No, you're a troll because you post crap and then never get back
    involved in the discussion. And also because you cross-post to a
    million different groups.

    Dan D
    '07 Ody EX
    Central NJ USA
     
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  14. However, collusion for the purpose of monopoly is still illegal on the
    books of the US (although not enforced at all since January of 2000).
    Note the Enron case in CA and the current US investigation of such
    alleged actions. When "product at a price" moves into "manipulate the
    market" then there is an issue. Those same executives bear
    responsibility for that too.

    But, at the end of the day, some of us still believe in honesty,
    integrity, and doing the right thing for our customers our country,
    and our society - other (like you I have to guess) believe that greed
    is the guiding principle and model for our lives.
     
    still just me, Jun 5, 2008
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    Klark Kent Guest

    In message still just me
    It started long before then.
     
    Klark Kent, Jun 5, 2008
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  16. If that were true the great problem would have started a few years ago, and
    not right after
    the Dems won the congress in 2006, claiming of all things, to lower gas
    prices....
     
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    Enrico Fermi Guest

    Nice German man describing Georgie's government:
    Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm
    want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come
    back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war
    neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is
    understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine
    the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along,
    whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a
    communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought
    to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
    they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism
    and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any
    country. -Hermann Goering
     
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    SMS Guest

    Actually, we should raise the gas tax with an offsetting tax credit up
    to a certain limit.

    I would NOT limit the tax credit by income or filing status. You want to
    get buy-in from the general public, and encourage them to buy smaller
    vehicles, at least for commuting (keep the SUV or minivan for times when
    it's really appropriate). $50K is still pretty low income.

    Every licensed non-commercial driver with a vehicle registered in their
    name gets the credit for one vehicle. Maybe a $5/gallon tax, with a
    $5/gallon tax credit for 365 gallons a year, i.e. an $1825 tax credit.
    Use less than 365 gallons a year and you're ahead of the game. Use more,
    well it's up to you to commute solo in an SUV, or to drive the kids
    around in a minivan, or to live 50 miles from work.

    No tax credit for unlicensed drivers.
    No tax credit for those that don't file income taxes.
    Some sort of program for commercial vehicles to exempt them.
     
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    SMS Guest

    It'd be less than you think. Most of the infrastructure is already in
    place. The IRS already administers a variety of tax credits for various
    social policies, and the government already collects the federal gas
    tax. No new agencies are required. We're not talking about issuing
    ration books here.
     
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