non-interference engine

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Michael Rose, Aug 13, 2006.

  1. Michael Rose

    Michael Rose Guest

    I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine
    was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look
    So guys help me out it or isn't it!....Thanks
    Michael Rose, Aug 13, 2006
  2. Michael Rose

    jim beam Guest

    why does it bother you?
    jim beam, Aug 13, 2006
  3. Michael Rose

    Steve Mackie Guest

    I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine
    Why would it matter if it is or it isn't?
    Steve Mackie, Aug 13, 2006
  4. I don't know, but it doesn't matter because the engine uses a timing chain
    instead of a belt.
    High Tech Misfit, Aug 13, 2006
  5. Michael Rose

    Matt Ion Guest

    Don't count on it "not mattering" for that... my old GLC died a messy death when
    an improperly-adjusted timing chain slipped a tooth.
    Matt Ion, Aug 13, 2006
  6. Michael Rose

    Michael Rose Guest

    Very simple....if it is a non-interference engine and your timing belt or
    chain breaks it doesn't hurt the engine....
    Michael Rose, Aug 13, 2006
  7. IMHO chains have not proven themselves much more reliable than belts. Maybe
    they have improved, but the last car I had with a chain (an 84 Dodge with a
    Mitsu engine) didn't make it 100K miles before the chain was worn enough to
    jump. The first step in replacement was: remove engine from car.

    Michael Pardee, Aug 13, 2006
  8. Michael Rose

    Steve Mackie Guest

    In all my years, I've spun more bearings (2) than I've ever broken a timing
    chain (0), or belt for that matter.

    Again, why would it matter if it is or it isn't? Do you plan on not
    maintaining your vehicle after you purchase it?

    Steve Mackie, Aug 13, 2006
  9. Michael Rose

    TeGGeR® Guest

    Depends on the engine design. Certain cars were notorious for eating timing
    chains. The Nissan Axxess had one such. On the the opposite side, the old
    Toyota timing chains were very well designed. They'd wear and get noisy,
    but never break or jump.
    TeGGeR®, Aug 13, 2006
  10. Even an engine maintained on schedule is susceptible to sudden death by
    valve crash. Usually that comes from water pump failure if the water pump is
    driven by the timing belt. In that respect chain driven engines are "safer."

    Michael Pardee, Aug 14, 2006
  11. Toyota 4-cylinders have been chain-driven since the late 90s (starting with
    the '98 Corolla I believe), and I am not aware of any chain-related failures
    in properly maintained cars. Nissan was using chains long before that,
    although I don't know how reliable they have been.
    High Tech Misfit, Aug 14, 2006
  12. I think it is more a question of good engineering vs. bad engineering.
    Saturn owners have a lot more problems with the chains than Honda
    owners have with the belts. Ironic, as the Saturn dealers pitched the
    chain as being superior to Honda's belts.

    We will see if these new Honda chain engines can routinely go 200K on
    the original chains. I am assuming that a chain replacement will end
    up costing twice as much as a belt.

    Also, how hard is it to change the water pump in these cars? Do you
    have to remove the chain?
    Gordon McGrew, Aug 14, 2006
  13. My #2 son had an '82 Toyota Corolla with a chain. We replaced it a few
    months before the engine threw a rod :-(

    Researching the chain, we found that it was common for them to eat through
    the timing chain cover as a result of "stretching" (pivot wear) and that
    those covers were at a premium on the used market for that reason.

    Michael Pardee, Aug 14, 2006
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    jim beam Guest

    if you maintain the engine as it's supposed to be, this will *never* be
    an issue. you run more danger of wheel bolts fatiguing than you do
    having a belt/chain break on a properly maintained engine. and get some
    perspective on cost/benefit of failure vs. performance/economy of
    interference engines.

    come to think of it, this thread smells of fud.
    jim beam, Aug 14, 2006
  15. Michael Rose

    Joe LaVigne Guest

    The salesman that sold me my 06 Si said that it was a timing belt, and the
    scheduled maintenance for it was 100K. Is that incorrect?

    Joseph M. LaVigne - 8/14/2006 2:27:47 AM
    Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database:

    "If you were waiting for the oppurtune moment ... that was it."
    --Jack Sparrow, "Pirates of the Carribean"
    Joe LaVigne, Aug 14, 2006
  16. Michael Rose

    Matt Ion Guest

    Well the opposite end of that scale would be the trusty old Dodge "Slant-6"
    engines... my dad had one in his '81 pickup, never had it replaced that I know
    of... when he retired the truck in '87 with over 450,000km, the chain was
    streched enough to be constantly rubbing in its guideway... but it just kept on
    running (the engine was also drinking a liter of oil with every tank of gas
    after my sister ran it dry of oil once). Thin was damn near indestructable.
    Matt Ion, Aug 14, 2006
  17. It is incorrect. It uses a timing chain.
    High Tech Misfit, Aug 14, 2006
  18. --------------------------------

    The 06 Si comes with a FINE manual. Read The Fine Manual.

    Read this too, regarding the 'art' of car salesmanship. It's LONG:

    'Curly Q. Links', Aug 14, 2006
  19. I've heard theories that the slant six almost put dodge outta business due to
    lack of parts sales and longevity....

    loewent via, Aug 14, 2006
  20. I wouldn't doubt it. When I was a kid, my father owned a '77 Dodge Aspen
    and our neighbour owned a '79 Plymouth Volare. Both had the slant-6, and
    both were major pieces of junk.
    High Tech Misfit, Aug 14, 2006
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