new Honda CR-V break in

so /you/ did the math too??? somehow, i find that hard to believe.

 

Wow, you admit the factory might be wrong but you can't.
I find that NOT hard to believe.

 

Wow, you admit the factory might be wrong but you can't.
I find that NOT hard to believe.

 

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I've used the factory washer and torque setting of 33 ft/lbs (45 Nm) for
close to ten years now. The six years prior to that I mostly used a fiber
washer and 20 ft/lbs.

My suspicion is that oil pan thread stripping is due to /severe/
overtightening, not adherence to the factory setting.

I also suspect the factory beefed up the threads on pans made after 1991 by
using a slightly heavier gauge of steel for the thread insert.

 

"you admit the factory might be wrong but you can't"???

on the basis that you're evidencing an english language "garbage out"
problem, there must also be english language "garbage in" problem with
you too. which explains everything!

 

"you admit the factory might be wrong but you can't"???

on the basis that you're evidencing an english language "garbage out"
problem, there must also be english language "garbage in" problem with
you too. which explains everything!

 

in my opinion, 45 N.m is over-tightening. two reasons:

1. the oil pan is a relatively soft material - it has to be to be formed
out of a single piece of steel like that. torque near yield, plus
thermal cycling loads - too close for my comfort.

2. the annealed aluminum washer starts out pretty much as soft as the
fiber washer - it seals by deformation filling all the crevices, not by
compression as such.

bottom line - once it's deformed enough to seal, it doesn't need to be
deformed any more. torque similar to the fiber washer is sufficient.

i'm not sure most of them even have a thread insert. if they did, it
could indeed be a stronger material and higher torque, but that's not
the point - the point is that torque only needs to be sufficient to
cause washer deformation sufficient to seal - and to provide sufficient
friction to prevent loosening. anything over that is excess. honda
have specified a mechanical load torque on a non-mechanical load fastener.

 

in my opinion, 45 N.m is over-tightening. two reasons:

1. the oil pan is a relatively soft material - it has to be to be formed
out of a single piece of steel like that. torque near yield, plus
thermal cycling loads - too close for my comfort.

2. the annealed aluminum washer starts out pretty much as soft as the
fiber washer - it seals by deformation filling all the crevices, not by
compression as such.

bottom line - once it's deformed enough to seal, it doesn't need to be
deformed any more. torque similar to the fiber washer is sufficient.

i'm not sure most of them even have a thread insert. if they did, it
could indeed be a stronger material and higher torque, but that's not
the point - the point is that torque only needs to be sufficient to
cause washer deformation sufficient to seal - and to provide sufficient
friction to prevent loosening. anything over that is excess. honda
have specified a mechanical load torque on a non-mechanical load fastener.

 

Thanks for giving me the best word to describe what I think of your
opinion now... "garbage". People disagree but when some people carry
on the way you do, they have something wrong. Why not make yourself
happy and PLONK me so I don't have to see your "garbage" posts any
longer.

 

Thanks for giving me the best word to describe what I think of your
opinion now... "garbage". People disagree but when some people carry
on the way you do, they have something wrong. Why not make yourself
happy and PLONK me so I don't have to see your "garbage" posts any
longer.

 

You have to "plonk" him to avoid seeing his posts.

 

You have to "plonk" him to avoid seeing his posts.

 

You're right. Still hope he PLONKS me first.

 

You're right. Still hope he PLONKS me first.

 

i have a better solution: you stop flaunting your willful ignorance,
then see what kind a reaction you get. think about it. if you can.

 

i have a better solution: you stop flaunting your willful ignorance,
then see what kind a reaction you get. think about it. if you can.

 

he's not that smart. especially since he couldn't figure it out from my
"killfile" post several messages back.

 

he's not that smart. especially since he couldn't figure it out from my
"killfile" post several messages back.

 

why? because your retardation is /my/ fault?

 

why? because your retardation is /my/ fault?