new Honda CR-V break in

1999 or not, that doesn't change the physics. think of it like this:
solid ice can rough you up pretty badly. water offers almost no
lubrication worth worrying about. but ice slurry, where the smaller
particles are free to slide among themselves, can be a fantastic remover
of friction.

that means you leave to oil /in/ for it to reach maximum effectiveness!
to be clear though - i would not recommend it for cheap oil - that
stuff breaks down, loses viscosity and sludges up your engine. but i
wouldn't use cheap oil - period. breakdown, poor additive packages,
lousy seal conditioning - just stay away.

that would be great - thank you!

 

RTFM.

 

RTFM.

 

I guess you haven't bought a new vehicle lately. If you did, you
might have more important things on your mind at the time of purchase
then the maintenance minder. Besides it's in the manual to read,
right? Then no big deal as I see it.

I will.

I do on my Accord and no problem. I do oil changes religiously at
3500 miles despite what the maintenance light says on my accord. So
far it's runs well. Personally I've read Hondas can be abused and
still no problems. I don't recommend abusing them but I don't think
you need to follow the manual to the T either. I babied a Chevy I
bought new once and it was a lemon from day one. I think the manual
is a great guide but not a bible as some people make it out to be
here. I think judgement is always a good thing. I was hoping
people here had some but apparently not. I guess they just follow
the manual blindly without judgement. Engineers are good but they
aren't gods.

 

I guess you haven't bought a new vehicle lately. If you did, you
might have more important things on your mind at the time of purchase
then the maintenance minder. Besides it's in the manual to read,
right? Then no big deal as I see it.

I will.

I do on my Accord and no problem. I do oil changes religiously at
3500 miles despite what the maintenance light says on my accord. So
far it's runs well. Personally I've read Hondas can be abused and
still no problems. I don't recommend abusing them but I don't think
you need to follow the manual to the T either. I babied a Chevy I
bought new once and it was a lemon from day one. I think the manual
is a great guide but not a bible as some people make it out to be
here. I think judgement is always a good thing. I was hoping
people here had some but apparently not. I guess they just follow
the manual blindly without judgement. Engineers are good but they
aren't gods.

 

Yup. It's the main reason that I get my oil changes done at the local
Delta Sonic car wash chain (they added oil-change and other
maintenance services at several locations). MANY chains will do
things like ignoring the recommended oil, use inferior filters, and
never change the crush washer. This place does better service for oil
changes than my closest dealership, so I stick with them. The price
is the same, but the service is better.

It makes sense to be informed. Talk to the technician doing the work
before and after. Make sure they're not cutting corners...

 

Yup. It's the main reason that I get my oil changes done at the local
Delta Sonic car wash chain (they added oil-change and other
maintenance services at several locations). MANY chains will do
things like ignoring the recommended oil, use inferior filters, and
never change the crush washer. This place does better service for oil
changes than my closest dealership, so I stick with them. The price
is the same, but the service is better.

It makes sense to be informed. Talk to the technician doing the work
before and after. Make sure they're not cutting corners...

 

so, you're going to do analysis and get some numbers on which to base
your judgment?

some people here /do/ have numbers. and experience. but you don't seem
to think that matters.

as opposed to a guy with no numbers and no experience? that's retarded.

bottom line dude - it's your car - you do what you want. but don't ask
advice if you don't want to hear it. and you have no business getting
offended if people have a negative reaction to you dismissing their
correct advice as of no consequence.

 

so, you're going to do analysis and get some numbers on which to base
your judgment?

some people here /do/ have numbers. and experience. but you don't seem
to think that matters.

as opposed to a guy with no numbers and no experience? that's retarded.

bottom line dude - it's your car - you do what you want. but don't ask
advice if you don't want to hear it. and you have no business getting
offended if people have a negative reaction to you dismissing their
correct advice as of no consequence.

 

while the dealer is the safest long term bet, i have to say, they're not
infallible. last time i paid someone to change my oil, it was san
francisco honda - they had a special offer and i was in a hurry. they
munged it pretty bad - they forgot to check the old oil filter seal
wasn't still stuck to the block, which of course it was. when the new
filter went on, that was /two/ seals in place, and naturally, one burst
as soon as oil pressure built. oil sprayed all over the engine
compartment, contaminated all my belts, got onto the radiator so it
clogged with dust, and got all over the exhaust ready to leave a smoke
trail for the next couple of miles. complete fiasco.

so, if you're not doing this stuff yourself, take the elmo approach -
find someone competent, experienced, and who knows their business. then
stick with them.

 

while the dealer is the safest long term bet, i have to say, they're not
infallible. last time i paid someone to change my oil, it was san
francisco honda - they had a special offer and i was in a hurry. they
munged it pretty bad - they forgot to check the old oil filter seal
wasn't still stuck to the block, which of course it was. when the new
filter went on, that was /two/ seals in place, and naturally, one burst
as soon as oil pressure built. oil sprayed all over the engine
compartment, contaminated all my belts, got onto the radiator so it
clogged with dust, and got all over the exhaust ready to leave a smoke
trail for the next couple of miles. complete fiasco.

so, if you're not doing this stuff yourself, take the elmo approach -
find someone competent, experienced, and who knows their business. then
stick with them.

 

You seem to have a high opinion of yourself. I also have experience
tho I don't claim to know it all. Numbers are fine and I think the
manual is a great "guide" and in the absence of real life experiences
will use it but that's what I am seeking from others.... real life
experiences. Yes, I do listen to people just like I'm listening to
you.

Maybe you haven't been around a long time on the net (???) but I
recall reading elsewhere, some thought the manuals are over
conservative and some even accused the manuals of trying to get people
to bring their cars in for service more than needed to make money for
that mfgr. So not knowing the truth, I was seeking other's advice
besides reading the manual. And yes I will read/re-read the manual in
parts. Perhaps you misunderstand my intentions????

 

You seem to have a high opinion of yourself. I also have experience
tho I don't claim to know it all. Numbers are fine and I think the
manual is a great "guide" and in the absence of real life experiences
will use it but that's what I am seeking from others.... real life
experiences. Yes, I do listen to people just like I'm listening to
you.

Maybe you haven't been around a long time on the net (???) but I
recall reading elsewhere, some thought the manuals are over
conservative and some even accused the manuals of trying to get people
to bring their cars in for service more than needed to make money for
that mfgr. So not knowing the truth, I was seeking other's advice
besides reading the manual. And yes I will read/re-read the manual in
parts. Perhaps you misunderstand my intentions????

 

Ain't that the truth.

My own dealer got three years out of the original oil pan. Then they
managed to strip the plug. The monkeys were severely overtightening the
plug, probably by using a combo wrench and tightening it by hanging from
it, as monkeys do.

I'm still running with the replacement pan, sixteen years later. The plug
is not stripped.

 

Ain't that the truth.

My own dealer got three years out of the original oil pan. Then they
managed to strip the plug. The monkeys were severely overtightening the
plug, probably by using a combo wrench and tightening it by hanging from
it, as monkeys do.

I'm still running with the replacement pan, sixteen years later. The plug
is not stripped.

 

because i had the temerity to point the illogicality of your argument?
i think you're confused about what "high opinion" means.

but you intend to ignore them anyway!

right.

now, to test your logical reasoning abilities, if you baby a chevy but
it's still a piece of s., and you baby a honda which works perfectly,
what does that tell you about the efficacy of your treatment program?
how does that contrast with the effect of design, build quality and the
respective manufacturers?

yeah right!

so, yet again, you want to ignore the contents of the owner manual.

dude, that's your weakest argument yet. the "truth" in in the owners
manual. you just spent $25k on one - remember?

why? you don't know for sure the qualifications of a single person
here. unlike the manufacturer of course.

well, the written evidence of your intentions is that you're hell-bent
on ignoring what anyone tells you unless it agrees with what you think
you already know. furthermore, there is no evidence that you're
prepared to learn anything new. unless you don't mean what you wrote!

 

because i had the temerity to point the illogicality of your argument?
i think you're confused about what "high opinion" means.

but you intend to ignore them anyway!

right.

now, to test your logical reasoning abilities, if you baby a chevy but
it's still a piece of s., and you baby a honda which works perfectly,
what does that tell you about the efficacy of your treatment program?
how does that contrast with the effect of design, build quality and the
respective manufacturers?

yeah right!

so, yet again, you want to ignore the contents of the owner manual.

dude, that's your weakest argument yet. the "truth" in in the owners
manual. you just spent $25k on one - remember?

why? you don't know for sure the qualifications of a single person
here. unlike the manufacturer of course.

well, the written evidence of your intentions is that you're hell-bent
on ignoring what anyone tells you unless it agrees with what you think
you already know. furthermore, there is no evidence that you're
prepared to learn anything new. unless you don't mean what you wrote!

 

i can't resist posting this - courtesy of "androcles" over on
sci.materials. i post it not for strict relevance, but the combination
of partial relevance and timing which i find to be irresistible.

***

"Do not reply to this generic message, it was automatically generated;
you have been kill-filed, either for being boringly stupid, repetitive,
unfunny, ineducable, repeatedly posting politics, religion or off-topic
subjects to a sci. newsgroup, attempting cheapskate free advertising
for profit, because you are a troll, because you responded to George
Hammond the complete fruit cake, simply insane or any combination
or permutation of the aforementioned reasons; any reply will go unread.

Boringly stupid is the most common cause of kill-filing, but because
this message is generic the other reasons have been included. You are
left to decide which is most applicable to you.

There is no appeal, I have despotic power over whom I will electronically
admit into my home and you do not qualify as a reasonable person I would
wish to converse with or even poke fun at. Some weirdoes are not kill-
filed, they amuse me and I retain them for their entertainment value
as I would any chicken with two heads, either one of which enables the
dumb bird to scratch dirt, step back, look down, step forward to the
same spot and repeat the process eternally.

This should not trouble you, many of those plonked find it a blessing
that they are not required to think and can persist in their bigotry
or crackpot theories without challenge.

You have the right to free speech, I have the right not to listen. The
kill-file will be cleared annually with spring cleaning or whenever I
purchase a new computer or hard drive.
Update: the last clearance was 25/12/09. Some individuals have been
restored to the list.

I'm fully aware that you may be so stupid as to reply, but the purpose
of this message is to encourage others to kill-file fuckwits like you.

I hope you find this explanation is satisfactory but even if you don't,
damnly my frank, I don't give a dear. Have a nice day and **** off."

***

 

i can't resist posting this - courtesy of "androcles" over on
sci.materials. i post it not for strict relevance, but the combination
of partial relevance and timing which i find to be irresistible.

***

"Do not reply to this generic message, it was automatically generated;
you have been kill-filed, either for being boringly stupid, repetitive,
unfunny, ineducable, repeatedly posting politics, religion or off-topic
subjects to a sci. newsgroup, attempting cheapskate free advertising
for profit, because you are a troll, because you responded to George
Hammond the complete fruit cake, simply insane or any combination
or permutation of the aforementioned reasons; any reply will go unread.

Boringly stupid is the most common cause of kill-filing, but because
this message is generic the other reasons have been included. You are
left to decide which is most applicable to you.

There is no appeal, I have despotic power over whom I will electronically
admit into my home and you do not qualify as a reasonable person I would
wish to converse with or even poke fun at. Some weirdoes are not kill-
filed, they amuse me and I retain them for their entertainment value
as I would any chicken with two heads, either one of which enables the
dumb bird to scratch dirt, step back, look down, step forward to the
same spot and repeat the process eternally.

This should not trouble you, many of those plonked find it a blessing
that they are not required to think and can persist in their bigotry
or crackpot theories without challenge.

You have the right to free speech, I have the right not to listen. The
kill-file will be cleared annually with spring cleaning or whenever I
purchase a new computer or hard drive.
Update: the last clearance was 25/12/09. Some individuals have been
restored to the list.

I'm fully aware that you may be so stupid as to reply, but the purpose
of this message is to encourage others to kill-file fuckwits like you.

I hope you find this explanation is satisfactory but even if you don't,
damnly my frank, I don't give a dear. Have a nice day and **** off."

***

 

Ain't that the truth.

My own dealer got three years out of the original oil pan. Then they
managed to strip the plug. The monkeys were severely overtightening the
plug, probably by using a combo wrench and tightening it by hanging from
it, as monkeys do.[/QUOTE]

The dealership I use has many people there, but they come and go. The
guy I use has been there for a long, long time--and I sit and watch him
work, and we chat.

This same dealership has plenty of idiots in the shop, and one
out-and-out crook that they allow to get away with murder. Despite my
utter distaste that they let him stay there, the service manager and I
have a cordial relationship.

If the guy I use were to go anywhere else, I'd follow him--without doubt.

People buy from people, not companies. It's not about the dealership.
It's about the people in it.