My Honda was made by FORD.....

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Hjsdafjsafdjsad, Nov 12, 2003.

  1. My 1998 CRV with only 80K miles just went kaput. Towed to the dealer and they
    said a piston went bad and it'll cost $1200.

    1) Is this a fair price?
    2) And is the problem related to a recent timing belt service?
    3) Is this problem common with CRVs? If it is a known problem maybe they'll
    give me a discount.

    I'm really dissapointed with my Honda. I thought I was getting an upgrade over
    my old FORD, but it has had more problems.
    Hjsdafjsafdjsad, Nov 12, 2003
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    Jeff Tamblyn Guest

    Better sell it and buy a Ford!
    Jeff Tamblyn, Nov 13, 2003
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    StonyMason Guest

    That does not mean all Honda are problematic. Many buyers like
    you are learning that every manufacture build some that are not
    up to their standards. Every manufactures today is building good
    vehicles, but they all have problems on occasion. That is why
    they all offer a warranty. Japanese superiority is more myth
    than reality from what we have seen in our fleet service business
    over the years. Apparently other are seeing that as well, look at
    all the Japanese cars on GM and Ford dealers used car lots or the
    Toyotas on Honda lots and vis versa. ;)

    mike hunt
    StonyMason, Nov 13, 2003
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    NetSock Guest

    Yawn...the Ford mark returns...

    Honda builds the least amount of cars that aren't "up to their standards" of
    any manufacture.
    Not true. More fabrication, and talking out his ass.
    But Honda has the fewest.
    Then you are even more stupid than you have proven yourself here.

    There are facts...cold hard facts, about Honda superior reliability and
    dependability compared to other makes.

    You are a liar...however...that is already known.

    And yes...we know the only "fleet experience" you have, is your Matchbox
    cars Mommy bought for you. What does this have to do with your hidden agenda against Honda?

    Get out loser.

    BTW...stillwating for your answers.

    '03 S2000
    '94 Accord

    It's just about going fast...that's all...
    NetSock, Nov 13, 2003
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    Moitz Guest

    Thus spake on 11/13/2003 9:56 AM:
    Apparently Mr. ****, for all his "experience" doesn't read. A simple
    check with J. D. Power & Associates 2003 Initial Quality Survey (results
    can be viewed at with a
    handy GIF summary at shows that
    Japanese nameplates hold their own. Lexus (a Toyota in a tuxedo) has 76
    defects per 100 new cars. Infiniti has 110, Acura, 111. Toyota, 121
    and Honda, 128.

    Let's check out GM's holdings now. Someone correct me if I miss one or
    attribute one wrongly.

    Cadillac has 103 (and they're in 2nd, making Lexus the run-away 1st
    place winner by almost 25 defects). Buick has 112. Chevrolet has 130.
    Olds, 134, Pontiac, 142, GMC, 144. Subaru, which GM has interests in
    (20%, IIRC), 146. Saturn, GM's much touted import-killer has a whopping
    158. Suzuki, a GM nameplate, has 144. Saab, which GM aquired a few
    years back, 160. And finally, in a spectacular last place finish,
    (still eons behind the Ford-owned Land Rover with 190) is the GM owned
    HUMMER with 225. Yep...twice that of Honda, almost twice the industry
    average (133).

    How about the Fine Ford Family of vehicles? Well, Mercury, Jaguar and
    Volvo managed to come out above the industry average with 113, 122 and
    128 respectively. Then things go downhill. Ford itself gets 136, tying
    with Chrysler. Lincoln loses to Dodge but ties Nissan (who gave up on
    quality in about 1996), with 139. Mazda gets 148, and as mentioned
    before, Land Rover comes in second-to-last place with 190. Aston-Martin
    isn't rated.

    Therefore, I postulate the following:

    1) All manufacturers are NOT creating "good" cars. Saturn, along with
    the Korean imports come to mind.
    2) The two pillars of Japanese reliabilty (Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus)
    are still pretty much leading the pack as far as reliability.
    3) The reason for the increase in Toyota and Honda cars of domestic
    used-car lots probably has nothing to do with reliability, but
    everything to do with the MASSIVE incentives that the domestic
    manufacturers are offering to boost their sales.

    I would also like to point out the following information.

    As proven above (and once again), Mike Hunt is an Idiot (tm). I'm sure
    Netsock will agree.

    Moitz, Nov 14, 2003
  6. That's just it. Even with those massive incentives they are still
    losing market share to the Japanese.
    Gordon McGrew, Nov 14, 2003
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    lcopps Guest

    My Olds Delta 88 threw a rod on queue at 90,000 miles. Lasted just less
    than 7 years. I just bought a 2004 Accord. My 1988 Accord is still in my
    driveway, it is 16 years old and has 200,000 miles and still runs well
    although the clutch and front-end is ailing. The engine runs smooth,
    does not use oil, and could more likely go another 100,000 miles plus.
    American cars have been designed to die when they reach a certain age to
    get the customers back in the showroom. The Japanese, have forced them
    to build better cars. But they have by not invested in the effort to
    build trouble free cars to the extent of the Japanese. I lived and
    worked in Japan for 2 years some time ago. One thing I noticed about
    japanese buyers: they buy with less emotion and look at quality first
    above looks or performance. This is perhaps why you do not see much
    excitement designed into the driving experience of japanese cars, but
    they return a value for your money that can't be beat.
    lcopps, Nov 14, 2003
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    lcopps Guest

    They may rate high on initial quality, but long term, they do not even
    compare. Check consumers report.
    lcopps, Nov 14, 2003
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    Moitz Guest

    Thus spake Gordon McGrew on 11/13/2003 11:35 PM:
    Anyone else notice that Ford's credit status got reduced to one step
    above junk Wednesday? Huh. Apparently even with thos rebates and
    finance deals they're still not selling enough to pay the bills.

    Moitz, Nov 14, 2003
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    Mikehunt2 Guest

    That is precisely the point. Every manufacture is building
    good vehicles today, why pay thousands more to buy a particular
    brand simply because you think it may last longer? They all have
    problems on occasion that is why they all have a warranty. Price
    is what sells cars. The most often asked question is 'How much
    is my monthly payment?' The average new car buyer in the US
    today replaces their vehicle in three or four years anyway. Any
    brand on the market today will last longer than that. I think
    buyers are finding that the car they paid four or five thousand
    more to buy wasn't any better than their other vehicle. Four or
    five thousand dollar will buy all of your gas for three or four
    years. ;)

    mike hunt
    Mikehunt2, Nov 14, 2003
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    Mikehunt2 Guest

    Ford has not having trouble paying the bills, but they are not
    offering big dividends. Their hugh capital investment program
    over the past two years is why. Five totally new vehicles coming
    to market over the next 12 month, starting with the critically
    acclaimed 2004 F150. One report list it as light years ahead of
    any of it competitors truck. ;)

    mike hunt
    Mikehunt2, Nov 14, 2003
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    NetSock Guest

    Aside from were you get this information (out your ass?) Ford cant offer big
    dividends because of their inferior product...its that simple.
    Gee...ever wonder WHY a car company would find itself releasing 5 new
    vehicles in a year?

    Think about it...
    By who? You? Cite your source.
    Name and/or supply the link to this "report" you speak of. Failure to do so
    will prove once again what a liar you are.

    '03 S2000
    '94 Accord

    It's just about going fast...that's all...
    NetSock, Nov 14, 2003
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    NetSock Guest

    (yawn) Wrong. You know what's sad...somewhere there's a village with no
    You are utterly ridiculous! You just cant be for real...nobody is THAT

    People pay for things that last longer...that's how quality is measured.

    And no...its not what is "thought"...its fact.
    Do you really think by ignoring all the intelligent arguments against you,
    and just repeating yourself over and over and over again, that will
    influence the people here to agree with you?

    Sorry Mikey...your wrong. By insulting the intelligence of the people here,
    it only alienates them, resulting in your loss of creditability.
    You want anybody to take you seriously, then start addressing their replies.

    Until then, nobody will believe you.
    Not true. And until you respond to the many lies you have posted here, your
    word is worth nothing.
    That's what you get for thinking.

    Here's a fact for ya idiot...99.2% of first time Honda buyers, buy a Honda
    the second time *IS* the highest percentage of any manufacturer.
    And for the same amount, you could get that lobotomy you so desperately

    Your nothing but a troll and a liar Mikey...and we all have you figured out.
    '03 S2000
    '94 Accord

    It's just about going fast...that's all...
    NetSock, Nov 14, 2003
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    NetSock Guest

    Yup. definitely hurtin'.
    Yup. Maybe they are finally realizing that junk is matter how far
    they discount it.

    '03 S2000
    '94 Accord

    It's just about going fast...that's all...
    NetSock, Nov 14, 2003
  15. That Ford and GM are losing market share to Toyota and Honda?
    Well, more and more Americans are buying Japanese cars so they must
    have a reason.
    Really? Then why are the Japanese taking away market share from the
    Americans even when the American companies are discounting heavily?
    Maybe that is what Ford and Chevy buyers ask. I guess they get what
    they deserve.
    I replace mine every decade or so. My most recent car warranty
    expired in 1995. That is why I don't buy Fords and GMs.
    If they paid $5K more for a new Honda it will probably be worth $5K
    more when they sell it three or four years later. But if they really
    want to save money they should keep it.
    I have owned a series of four Hondas over the last 30 years/350K
    miles. Total cost for all of them was $32.8K including tax, etc. I
    sold three of them for a total of $4.3K and my current one is probably
    worth $4K. That is a net cost of $24.5K which gives an average
    depreciation of a little over $800 per year. Repair and maintenance
    costs have been modest - never anything more serious than a clutch.
    And I loved every one of them.

    If I had been driving hateful Fords and turning them in every three to
    four years, how much would I have saved?
    Gordon McGrew, Nov 15, 2003
  16. And GM is about half a step behind.
    The problem is that they are losing money on every car but trying to
    make it up in volume.

    Did anyone notice that Chrysler Pacifica already has a $3000 rebate?
    I haven't even seen one yet.
    Gordon McGrew, Nov 15, 2003
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    Gus Guest

    Which is the worst way to shop for a new car, BTW; but I bet you already
    knew that.
    Gus, Nov 16, 2003
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    Gus Guest

    Do you *ever* have a cite for *anything*?
    Gus, Nov 16, 2003
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