MORE than expensive - outrageous!

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I'm very angry. And for good cause.

While zooming along the freeway in my '81 Honda (my second Honda, which
has 109,000 miles on it), I suddenly lost power. After a $100 tow, the
Honda mechanic replaced the igniter. I didn't know what it was, so it
was explained to me that it replaces the points.

Okay, so the repair bill was $193 for just the part! It's a little
sucka that ain't much bigger than your average rotor. After getting
home, I took the old igniter and pulled off a little cap to see what
was inside. Just a few electronic components not much unlike the kind
I see in computers.

The whole gizmo with the cap on weighs 1.25 ounces. Comparing with my
notebook computer at 7 pounds, that's 7 pounds times 16 ounces = 112
ounces; divided by 1.25 ounces I get a factor of close to 90. 90 times
$193 comes to approximately $17,000.

That's pretty astounding. And I thought Apple computers were
expensive! Listen, my Apple notebook, a marvel of miniaturization, was
$2,400. Dividing $2,400 by 90 I get about $27, which seems like a
reasonable price for the part.

So how does Honda figure they can both sell outrageously expensive
parts like this while, at the same time, keep customers? I went into
the sales room and confronted the sales manager with the part and the
price. He simply laughed.

There is no way I will ever buy another Honda. I don't care what the
price is for parts for the next car (my last car, when I retire), Honda
is not on my shopping list. And something the manufacturer does not
count on... I will carry that part on my dashboard as a conversation
piece. I should be able to turn a few people away from Honda with it.
It shouldn't make much of a dent in Honda's sales, but, as everyone
knows, the landscape is littered with the corpses of companies that
abused their customers.

$193 for a $27 part, indeed! That's abusive!
 
This is about the funniest thing I've heard in a while.

Putting aside the ignorant ridiculousness of comparing completely unrelated
items based on weight, consider this:

In your apple laptop most of the weight is the battery, LCD, case, keyboard
etc.

Actuall electronics are probably less then 10 ounces, not even, but we'll
stick to 10 ounces. Divide 10 by 1.25 you get 8, so divide your 2400 by 8
you get $300. Now you are twice the idiot because Apple clearly ripped you
off too. Never buy Apple computers again!!!

Then for kicks and gigles ask how much similar part costs for any other
make.

Looks like you are walking from now on.

-M
 
Bob said:
If you are driving a Honda that is 22 years old, I would say that both your
car, and Honda owe you nothing. That is twice the life of most cars, and
judging by your shock at the price I assume that you have never replaced
this particular component before. You should consider yourself lucky.
Just my opinion
Bob
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If the car had 200,000 miles on it, then I would agree. But the
odometer just turned 110,000, so the car has some miles to go before I
get my money's worth out of it. 22 years means nothing, it's miles not
years that count for me because I don't drive that much. The car still
owes me some miles.

I have never heard of an ignitor burning out. The mechanic said it's
rare for it to happen. I don't particularly care what breaks as long
as it doesn't cause an accident or involve an outrageously expensive
repair.
 
Max said:
Actuall electronics are probably less then 10 ounces, not even, but we'll
stick to 10 ounces. Divide 10 by 1.25 you get 8, so divide your 2400 by 8
you get $300.
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I reject your analysis. It's a derivative of my comparison, which
doubles any error. As a matter of fact, the part has a steel plate on
the bottom, steel sleeves, and several metal electrodes and connectors,
not to mention having been filled/sealed with some sort of resin. My
comparison is just fine, thank you. Even a 50% error still makes the
part outrageously expensive.
Now you are twice the idiot because Apple clearly ripped you
off too. Never buy Apple computers again!!!
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Apple computers are great. A lot of people who work with IBM
compatibles go home to Macs. Very few people who work with Macs go
home to an IBM compatible. I like 'em. I've never used an IBM
compatible, mainly because I see my friends struggle with them. No
thanks.
 
expensive said:
I'm very angry. And for good cause.

While zooming along the freeway in my '81 Honda (my second Honda, which
has 109,000 miles on it), I suddenly lost power. After a $100 tow, the
Honda mechanic replaced the igniter. I didn't know what it was, so it
was explained to me that it replaces the points.

Okay, so the repair bill was $193 for just the part! It's a little
sucka that ain't much bigger than your average rotor. After getting
home, I took the old igniter and pulled off a little cap to see what
was inside. Just a few electronic components not much unlike the kind
I see in computers.
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Had you shopped around, you would have had other choices. The ignitor can be
obtained new from Honda for $150, http://tinyurl.com/il7p. Other options might
have included buying one from a wrecking yard or from someone parting out their
wrecked car. Why, you probably could've picked up an entire used distributor
for one of those units for $20.
So how does Honda figure they can both sell outrageously expensive
parts like this while, at the same time, keep customers? I went into
the sales room and confronted the sales manager with the part and the
price. He simply laughed.
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It is unfortunate that the sales manager laughed. That's no way to treat people
who are their bread and butter.
 
Randolph said:
So you have gotten 22 years of use out of the Honda, and you are
bitching laying out $200 for a part?
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No, it's given me good service despite the fact that it was a bad year
for paint and has rust spots all over. I don't care how it looks,
though. I have noticed that parts are expensive, but I've lived with
it. It's hard to tolerate $193 for a $27 part that only had a few
diodes in it, though. And it should not burn out after only 110,000
miles.

But remember, I have mentioned that 22 years is irrelevant. It's miles
that count. Mechanically, it's perfect because I take it to a Honda
mechanic regularly and tell him "Do what has to be done to make it safe
and reliable." It had ALL of the required warranty-type service done
by the book.

I will vote with my $$$. Some other manufacturer gets my business for
my retirement (last) car. I wonder if someone at Honda wondered if the
high price on that part would prevent a sale. Or that the offended
buyer of that part would try to prevent other sales. I am not easily
offended, but I am hell on wings when it happens.

On the other hand, is it possible that Honda intended the part to be
$19.30 and not $193.00. The igniter really does look like a $19.30
part. If so, then Honda needs to get back to me (here, soon) with a
refund offer because I intend to cost them a heck of a lot more than
they cost me.
 
expensive said:
No, it's given me good service despite the fact that it was a bad year
for paint and has rust spots all over. I don't care how it looks,
though. I have noticed that parts are expensive, but I've lived with
it. It's hard to tolerate $193 for a $27 part that only had a few
diodes in it, though. And it should not burn out after only 110,000
miles.
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That part should not ever fail for the life of the car, but you should tally
the cost of maintanence to this point. My gripe would be the reliability
failure. Your not supposed to get stuck in a Honda.

Dave M.

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Had you shopped around, you would have had other choices. The ignitor can be
obtained new from Honda for $150, http://tinyurl.com/il7p. Other options
might
have included buying one from a wrecking yard or from someone parting out
their
wrecked car. Why, you probably could've picked up an entire used distributor
for one of those units for $20.
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It's been several years since I saw an '81 Honda in a wrecking yard.
They've all been crushed, melted down, and have gone to meet their
maker (or some other car maker).

I don't have time to shop the Internet for parts when the car is
broken. Besides, I have a long-term relationship with my mechanic and
would not think to save $50 off him. It's a pay me now pay me later
thing, if you know what I mean.
It is unfortunate that the sales manager laughed. That's no way to treat people
who are their bread and butter.
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Honda will pay for that. Not in terms of the billions they rake in,
but in my terms -- one car at a time over the long haul. Obviously the
guy did not consider me to be a future prospect. He will never know
it, but I will undo a few sales for him before he ever gets a whiff of
them. I am reminded of the dealer arrogance of the 1960's when the
American manufacturers thought they could pawn anything off on the
public. It's no coincidence that that was the time when I my first
import and said goodbye to Detroit forever.
 
Dave M. said:
That part should not ever fail for the life of the car, but you should tally
the cost of maintanence to this point. My gripe would be the reliability
failure. Your not supposed to get stuck in a Honda.
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I'm neither happy nor unhappy with the cost of maintenance so far.
It's always sapping but not killing me, sort of like a tapeworm. I've
had to purchase expensive parts before, but I've never felt truly
ripped off like I do this time. These are hard times for me. $193 for
a $27 part and embarrassing treatment by the sales manager was just a
bit much for me to bear. I think I got drilled pretty good by Honda,
and it's going to take a long time to get over it.
 
I reject your analysis. It's a derivative of my comparison, which
doubles any error. As a matter of fact, the part has a steel plate on
the bottom, steel sleeves, and several metal electrodes and connectors,
not to mention having been filled/sealed with some sort of resin. My
comparison is just fine, thank you. Even a 50% error still makes the
part outrageously expensive.
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LOL. You REALLY missed the point. Sense of humor and sarcasm are clearly too
expensive for your taste as well. :-)
Apple computers are great. A lot of people who work with IBM
compatibles go home to Macs. Very few people who work with Macs go
home to an IBM compatible. I like 'em. I've never used an IBM
compatible, mainly because I see my friends struggle with them. No
thanks.
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So it is ok for Apple to "rip you off" because you like them? How
hypocritical of you.

Look, in all seriousness, things are worth what people are willing to pay
for them. You are willing to pay $2400 for a computer even though a
comprable machine can be bought for half the cost, because you like it
better. It has nothing to do with size or weight. My company produces
software that weighs nothing (ok, you can count weight of the CD we could
theoretically put it on) and we sell it for millions of dollars - and we
have buyers because they believe it is worth it. If $200 part was not worth
it to you, you should have bought the $60 aftermarket part and installed it
yourself. You had a choice, but you paid for it, which means it was worth it
to you at the time. Do not kid yourself, this has NOTHING to do with Honda
or any other car maker. You are just bitter you had something break on you,
even though it happened after 22 years of use (and all things considered,
did not cost that much.) You are bitter you did not have towing coverage.
But get over yourself, cuz shit happens. The bottom line is that if your car
was of any other make, it would have been a similar price. This has nothing
to do with Honda. I am sure Honda's prices are not any different that any
other maker. And yes, the dealer parts will always cost more than
aftermarket parts, because for them the cost of that part is not the just
the cost of the materials and manufacturing - it's the millions of dollars
that went into the design. Grow up and take some responsibility.

-M
 
expensive said:
I'm neither happy nor unhappy with the cost of maintenance so far.
It's always sapping but not killing me, sort of like a tapeworm. I've
had to purchase expensive parts before, but I've never felt truly
ripped off like I do this time. These are hard times for me. $193 for
a $27 part and embarrassing treatment by the sales manager was just a
bit much for me to bear. I think I got drilled pretty good by Honda,
and it's going to take a long time to get over it.
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That guy's response sould be rewarded with a 21 gun salute, with
blindfold, at dawn. But I think it's a credit that you were able to even
GET the part you needed in a timely fashion, for a car of that age. I'm
not saying that your car is THAT old, just that lots of car makers
wouldn't have been able to come up with that part at all. I agree it is
awfully expensive, though. 'Curly'

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what about a couple having trouble conceiving a baby and going for in vitro
fertilization? For about a fraction of an ounce of sperm and a speck of an
egg the couple will pay $15,000 and up.

you can't judge the cost of a part on its weight, that's patently
ridiculous!

I once had to have the motor mounts replaced on my old Nissan.

They're just a tiny piece of metal sandwiched between two pieces of rubber
but only available from the dealer. One of them was $93.

its not just the mileage on a car, its also the age.
 
The arrogance of the dealer really put me off as much as the cost of
the part. Someone who sells something should not laugh at the anguish
of a customer. Until a few days ago, I'd planned my last car to be a
Honda. Not any more.
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I think him laughing at you had less to do with the cost of the part, and
more to do with what you were saying. Of course I wasn't there, and it is
just a guess.

Of course if you want a fun dealer experience, buy a dodge. It's a kind of a
"once in a lifetime" mistake. And I quote the dealer: "That backfire-type
noise you keep mentioning is actually a normal function of the afterburners"
I almost fell off the chair when he told this to me. I never knew there was
an F-16 Dakota. Plus another gem: "Well, since it took us over a week to
figure out what was wrong and clean up the aluminum chips from the oil pump
that broke into pieces and got into the oil and thus into the engine, and
Dodge extended warranty you purchased on this brand new truck only pays for
3 days labor for such an event, so you owe us..." - he never got to finish
THAT sentence.

-M
 
I have tried to follow this thread and have yet to read "WHY" a $28. part
retails for $193.
You see, the "parts business" is one of the most lucrative businesses
around. ALL auto parts are subject to the rule of "doubling". The
manufacturer of the part (a Honda subcontractor) charges his normal selling
price plus at least 100% since this is a "spare" part. (This is true of ALL
auto parts suppliers.) Then add another 100% for the factory markup; then
another 100% for the dealer markup.
Therefore $193. /2 /2 /2 = $24.+ which is the price of the part that the
manufacturer paid on the assembly line. The only modifier to this universal
gouging is when some independent manufacturer begins making similar
replacement parts because there's money to be made e.g. brake pads, air/oil
filters, etc. This forces everyone on the gravy train to restructure their
pricing to be competitive.
Obviously, the Honda rotor is not replaced often enough to entice someone to
make their own replacement part. I paid $20.+ for a PCV valve which was no
available at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart had a shelf full of other car makes for
under $5.
Bottom line, it's the way capitalism works, if you need prescription drugs
it's gonna cost you. If you want a infrequently replaced part it's gonna
cost you. If you shoot all of the "gougers" you will be living alone.
 
Falling asleep through expensive's post...
The igniter really does look like a $19.30
part.
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You are too much. Your ignorace around cars astounds me. Keep thinking
age has nothing to do with it

--
"If you can't change a tire, you're not allowed to have a beard. It's the
most basic part of a car: If you don't know that much about a car, you
really shouldn't be driving, should you?" - Jimmy Kimmel

Dan**** (10:38:51 PM): I have more respect for you than ever before
 
what about a couple having trouble conceiving a baby and going for in
vitro fertilization? For about a fraction of an ounce of sperm and a
speck of an egg the couple will pay $15,000 and up.

you can't judge the cost of a part on its weight, that's patently
ridiculous!

I once had to have the motor mounts replaced on my old Nissan.

They're just a tiny piece of metal sandwiched between two pieces of
rubber but only available from the dealer. One of them was $93.

its not just the mileage on a car, its also the age.
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People overlook that the parts are manufactured,then
warehoused,inventoried,and taxes paid on them,every year.
Those costs have to be added to the cost of manufacture and the profit
margin.

TANSTAAFL
 
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That guy's response sould be rewarded with a 21 gun salute, with
blindfold, at dawn. But I think it's a credit that you were able to
even GET the part you needed in a timely fashion, for a car of that
age. I'm not saying that your car is THAT old, just that lots of car
makers wouldn't have been able to come up with that part at all. I
agree it is awfully expensive, though. 'Curly'

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A company I used to work for would yearly INCREASE the price of parts for
their products as they neared the end of their 'long-term product support
period'.They explained this as their way of letting the customer know it's
time to buy a new unit.After the long-term product support period
ended,parts for that item were discarded,and made 'no longer available'.
Most consumer products have NO guarantee of parts support for any length of
time,especially not after 22 years after last manufacture of the product.
 
Electronics pricing by weight? That's about the best laugh I've had in
a long time.

Why not just weigh the whole car and do the math that way. LOL
 
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