Marvel Mystery Oil

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by jeremyje, Jan 27, 2006.

  1. jeremyje

    jeremyje Guest

    I've heard good things about Marvel Mystery Oil. Just curious how it
    works since you can put it in the oil and gasoline tanks and does it
    work well still with newer cars, I have 05 Civic. Also, what's the best
    time to put it in like early/middle/late life of oil for oil. And for
    gasoline empty tank then fill, or after full tank?
     
    jeremyje, Jan 27, 2006
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  2. jeremyje

    TeGGeR® Guest



    The very best time to put Marvel Mystery Oil in your car is...NEVER.

    Total waste of money. It will do less for you than timely oil changes.
     
    TeGGeR®, Jan 27, 2006
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  3. Back in the day, you could buy a Marvel Mystery Oil reservoir that
    attached to the carburetor and slowly dripped the stuff into the gas,
    or so my father told me. I used it 20 years ago as a gas additive in my
    Chevy small block. As far as I could tell, it did me no good. Not sure
    I'd want to subject my Honda fuel injectors to this stuff.

    If you feel the need to add something to your gas add a bottle of
    Chevron's Techron every now and again. AFAIK that stuff won't hurt
    anything and probably does some good.

    I'd never consider adding MMO to my oil because I don't know what it
    would do to the viscosity or how it would interact with the oil's
    additives. TeGGeR's right, clean oil is good oil.
     
    dimndsonmywndshld, Jan 27, 2006
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  4. jeremyje

    butch burton Guest

    At least one of the major car companies - DC I think sez in the owners
    manual that using crank case additives will void the warranty. Back in
    the days of lose engines - a increase in viscosity may have been a good
    thing - not today - will probably impede lubrication. Any modern oil
    that meets all of the current requirements will be fine - just change
    it and the filter and do it regularly.

    It never ceases to amaze me when I walk past the snake oil section of
    auto parts stores - people still buy that stuff.
     
    butch burton, Jan 27, 2006
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  5. jeremyje

    mtmaurer8ooo Guest

    SEAFOAM! or LUCAS OILS FUEL TREATMENT! You can buy them both anywhere.
    Gas tank only though. I think that the only thing you should add to
    your oil is oil, and that's just if it's low. Mobil 1 is always my
    suggestion and change it at 3000 or sooner. As for MMO, I wouldn't
    want to trust something that is able to be used in the engine and in
    the fuel. Plus, you have a Honda!!! You don't have to do too much to
    those things and they'll still run forever, so don't fix what isn't
    broken. Run good gas, keep up on maintenance, and that's about it.
    See ya. Matt
     
    mtmaurer8ooo, Jan 27, 2006
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  6. jeremyje

    jmattis Guest

    Start saving up money... to buy a new catalytic converter.

    The whole concept of marvel oil is a little bogus. Gasoline already
    has a lot of oily components in it, and that is what lubes the upper
    cylinders well enough for engines to last 300,000+ miles.

    Now check out Brazil, which insisted on developing ethanol production
    to replace gasoline use. Result is, engines don't last at all. The
    alcohol has no lube qualities, and the engine is toast.
     
    jmattis, Jan 27, 2006
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  7. jeremyje

    Steppenwolf Guest

    The only thing I used Marvel Mystery Oil for when I was twisting wrenches
    for a living, was to put a small amount in the inlets of my air tools, then
    blowing air through them before putting them away at night... I wouldn't put
    it inside an engine, not now, with all of the electronics and sensors, for
    sure...
    ..
     
    Steppenwolf, Jan 27, 2006
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  8. jeremyje

    TeGGeR® Guest

    wrote in


    You are full of bovine fecal matter. Gasoline is a SOLVENT, NOT a
    lubricant. It washes motor oils off the bore walls.

    Gasoline does have a touch of light machine oil in it, but that's for the
    injectors, not the bores.
     
    TeGGeR®, Jan 27, 2006
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  9. jeremyje

    TWW Guest

    They still make that -- shades of JC Whitney and the ooo ga horn
     
    TWW, Jan 28, 2006
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  10. jeremyje

    TeGGeR® Guest


    Ah-OOH-gah, you mean.
     
    TeGGeR®, Jan 28, 2006
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  11. Actually, I think MMO would probably decrease the viscosity of the
    oil, and I wouldn't want to do that either. MMO is an old product. If
    it had any extraordinary benefits as a crankcase additive, its
    components would have been incorporated into motor oils long ago.

    That said, I have seen it recommended for various general and special
    lubrication purposes. It is probably a very fine light-weight,
    general purpose lubricating oil, but it is neither marvelous or
    mysterious.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Jan 28, 2006
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  12. jeremyje

    TeGGeR® Guest



    And when was this day of "lose" engines?
     
    TeGGeR®, Jan 28, 2006
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  13. I don't know. Gasoline may not be as good a lubricant as oil but I
    can see how it would be a lot better than ethanol. Not saying that
    he's right, but it isn't implausible IMO.

    Do Brazilian liquor burners really go through engines like a drunken
    sailor? I hear they are still selling well and by now everyone would
    know it if they were self destructing. I couldn't find anything on
    the web about it either.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Jan 28, 2006
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  14. jeremyje

    notbob Guest

    Hey, don't knock JC Whitney. They've saved my butt more than once. An
    example was replacing the aluminized batt insulation in a '69 Dodge
    van engine box (the one between the seats) I once owned. I looked
    everywhere. Dodge dealers, Autoshops, boat centers, RV centers,
    custom shops, you name it. After 2 weeks I was at my wits end. My
    buddy suggested I look in JC Whitney . Sure enough, twice as much as
    I needed for $30, including shipping. JC Whitney is alright.

    http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/StoreCatalogDisplay/c-10101/s-10101

    nb
     
    notbob, Jan 28, 2006
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  15. jeremyje

    SoCalMike Guest

    dont waste your money.
     
    SoCalMike, Jan 28, 2006
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  16. jeremyje

    shawn Guest

    I would guess back in 70s and earlier. Tolerances on the parts going
    into engines have gotten much tighter over the years. For some time I
    worked in a bal bearing factory that made a number of parts for the
    automotive companies. I can remember them pushing us to have much
    tighter tolerances on the parts we supplied them. I suspect that's
    continued over the years as it seems that today's engines are much
    more efficient than engines from a few decades ago.
     
    shawn, Jan 28, 2006
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  17. jeremyje

    jmattis Guest

    You are full of bovine fecal matter. Gasoline is a SOLVENT, NOT a

    I specifically said UPPER CYLINDER WALLS. Sure, it would be better to
    have some 10W30 up there, but it isn't really happening. Solvent,
    lube, whatever. Don't get hung up on labels. Did you take organic
    chemistry 30 years ago like I did? There's a lot of oily in gasoline,
    and it isn't due to any additive.


    My wife has two relatives doing an extended project in Brazil right
    now, and they'll agree with me regarding engine longevity.
     
    jmattis, Jan 28, 2006
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  18. jeremyje

    Sid Guest

    That is "Male Bovine Fecal Matter"

    Sid


     
    Sid, Jan 28, 2006
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  19. jeremyje

    TeGGeR® Guest



    Hmmm... Some examples:
    2003 Acura RSX crank journal to bearing clearance: .0007"-.0020"
    1991 Honda B18A1 crank journal to bearing clearance: .0009"-.0020"
    1975 Toyota 2T-C crank journal to bearing clearance: .0006"-.0039"
    1956 Chevrolet six or V8 crank journal to bearing clearance: .0007"-.0028".

    The tight tolerance is essentially the same from 1956 to 2003, but the
    older engines were permitted to get a lot looser before being considered
    out-of-spec. I'd suspect metallurgy is a lot better now, so they can afford
    to specify tighter tolerances and still get adequate life out of the
    engine.

    Also, oils back in 1956 or 1975 were not what they are now. Sort of with
    poyethylene, back then you had to make it thick to get the film strength.
    Now they can do it by making the polymer chains longer and stronger. I
    think that and metallurgy have more to do with the lightness of modern oils
    than viscosity requirements.
     
    TeGGeR®, Jan 30, 2006
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  20. jeremyje

    TeGGeR® Guest


    Another couple I just found:
    1970 Ford 302 V8 crank journal to bearing clearance: .0005"-.0024"
    1970 Ford 250 six crank journal to bearing clearance: .0005"-.0022"


    I'm not sure those old engines were much looser than modern ones.
     
    TeGGeR®, Jan 30, 2006
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