Hybrid Fuel Cost Comparison

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You might enjoy a little converter at www.fast-math.org/motorfuelcost.htm in which you can enter the approximate miles you drive per year, the mileage your current car gets, and what another vehicle you're considering will get, and then see how much money you'll save per year. Take care!
- Jeff
 
javawizard said:
You might enjoy a little converter at
www.fast-math.org/motorfuelcost.htm in which you can enter the approximate miles you drive per year, the mileage your current car gets, and what another vehicle you're considering will get, and then see how much money you'll save per year. Take care!
- Jeff

It would be more meaningful if one could put in their percentage of highway and city type driving into the calculation and the respective mileages for both vehicles.

As an example, I usually drive 10K miles per year, with about 70% highway. My current vehicle (2004 EXL V6) gets 22 mpg city, 30 mpg highway, while hybrids get lower mileage highway then they do city driving conditions.
 
L Alpert said:
javawizard wrote:

As an example, I usually drive 10K miles per year, with about 70% highway. My current vehicle (2004 EXL V6) gets 22 mpg city, 30 mpg highway, while hybrids get lower mileage highway then they do city driving conditions.
That's not my experiences. My Prius gets 52 to 60 mpg on highway driving, year around. Don't believe Toyota's listed ratings. In town it's stop and go, ad nauseam. I get about 43 mpg in the summer and 38 mpg in the winter. I don't jump start at intersections, but I don't hold up traffic by creeping out either. I don't know how they are able to get away saying 60 in the city unless it's all beltline driving. Most towns don't have beltlines. (Besides, they are highways) Believe Consumers Reports when they say it's 46 mpg all around average. Like most people, I drive short trips in town and not much highway travel.

I heard the EPA is finally waking up and changing their method to calculate city driving. Up to now they cater to big business and not the consumer.

All in all. I love my Prius. I drive about 12k miles per year. No matter how much Toyota and other companies lie, I still get two to three times the mileage I've ever got on any compact car.

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EdV said:
perhaps its highway driving downhill

Or else he drives a steady 46mph on the highway.

The rest of what he says is right-on, but if he's in weather where he's getting 38mpg in winter, then no normal highway driving shows him 52-60mpg year round.
 
go to http://www.greenhybrid.com/ & see real mileage databases, this gives the mileage of real people in real time, tells you what % of mileage is city & highway.
 
go tohttp://www.greenhybrid.com/& see real mileage databases, this gives the mileage of real people in real time, tells you what % of mileage is city & highway.

Any site that shows Prius battery performance for the last 10 years... they first came out in 97 right?
 
Go to the site, search for your keyword, few problems but I suspect that is not what you want to hear.
 
Or else he drives a steady 46mph on the highway.

The rest of what he says is right-on, but if he's in weather where he's getting 38mpg in winter, then no normal highway driving shows him 52-60mpg year round.

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Go to the site, search for your keyword, few problems but I suspect that is not what you want to hear.

All accounts are that hybrid batteries are holding up very well and the companies don't expect to replace many under the 8 year warranty. Toyota says it has not replaced a single battery pack due to wear and tear or failure. That includes some Priuses with over 200,000 miles.
 
All accounts are that hybrid batteries are holding up very well and the companies don't expect to replace many under the 8 year warranty. Toyota says it has not replaced a single battery pack due to wear and tear or failure. That includes some Priuses with over 200,000 miles.

Pardon my ignorance in hybrids, I dont personally know anyone who owns a prius. I asked because I've seen some car ads selling used Prius batteries. Who buys them if all hybrid batteries are holding up?, maybe those car owners don't go to Toyota since used batteries are cheaper. Though I dont know how complicated it is to DIY a hybrid battery replacement. Are there companies who replace bad cells on a hybrid battery pack such that they revive 2 scrap battery and create one refurbished battery pack. Its just that I've heard this kind of repair method on some laptop battery computers.

What would be an indication that a hybrid battery is going or gone bad? poor mpg, stalled vehicle?
 
Mr Ed said:
That's not my experiences. My Prius gets 52 to 60 mpg on highway driving,

I have no experiences with a hybrid, but most manufacturers advertise a lower MPG highway driving then city, at least in most of the commercial material I have seen.
year around. Don't believe Toyota's listed ratings. In town it's stop and go, ad nauseam. I get about 43 mpg in the summer and 38 mpg in the winter. I don't jump start at intersections, but I don't hold up traffic by creeping out either. I don't know how they are able to get away saying 60 in the city unless it's all beltline driving. Most towns don't have beltlines. (Besides, they are highways) Believe Consumers Reports when they say it's 46 mpg all around average. Like most people, I drive short trips in town and not much highway travel.

I heard the EPA is finally waking up and changing their method to calculate city driving. Up to now they cater to big business and not the consumer.

All in all. I love my Prius. I drive about 12k miles per year. No matter how much Toyota and other companies lie, I still get two to three times the mileage I've ever got on any compact car.

I've gotten 35-38 average MPG in an old Subaru that I used to have (late 70's model). One would have thought it was powered by a squirrel cage, though.

Quite good in the snow....
 
Justbob30 said:
go to http://www.greenhybrid.com/ & see real mileage databases, this gives the mileage of real people in real time, tells you what % of mileage is city & highway.

Very interesting....nice site.
 
L Alpert said:
I have no experiences with a hybrid, but most manufacturers advertise a lower MPG highway driving then city, at least in most of the commercial material I have seen.

In the US automakers are required to show only the EPA's figures, which are faulty. Real Priuses usually get better fuel economy on the highway than in stop-and-go city driving.
 
Pardon my ignorance in hybrids, I dont personally know anyone who owns a prius. I asked because I've seen some car ads selling used Prius batteries. Who buys them if all hybrid batteries are holding up?,

There are a fair number of experimenters making all-electric cars and modifying hybrids to be plug-in hybrids. Prius batteries would be quite useful to these people. Consider your question in a different way. If hybrid batteries didn't hold up, who would be buying used ones?
maybe those car owners don't go to Toyota since used batteries are cheaper. Though I dont know how complicated it is to DIY a hybrid battery replacement.

Well, keep in mind that the battery and other hybrid components are warranted for 8 years/100,000 miles, relatively few are out of warranty. Even if Toyota's claim means only that none were replaced under warranty, that would indicate that they are holding up pretty well.
Are there companies who replace bad cells on a
hybrid battery pack such that they revive 2 scrap battery and create one refurbished battery pack. Its just that I've heard this kind of repair method on some laptop battery computers.

Yes, bad cells can be replaced.
What would be an indication that a hybrid battery is going or gone bad? poor mpg, stalled vehicle?

Don't know bout that.
 
L said:
I have no experiences with a hybrid, but most manufacturers advertise a lower MPG highway driving then city, at least in most of the commercial material I have seen.

Yes, but the Prius really does *usually* do better in the city than the highway. Is possible to do worse in the city but that requires extreme effort.
 
richard said:
In the US automakers are required to show only the EPA's figures, which are faulty. Real Priuses usually get better fuel economy on the highway than in stop-and-go city driving.

That very well may be the case, though I was speaking of all hybrids in general. Not sure if the Prius would be considered an outlier or not....
 
Gordon said:
There are a fair number of experimenters making all-electric cars and modifying hybrids to be plug-in hybrids.

One would have to see the numbers for this plug in to recharge application. Electric rates are +$0.20 KWH where I live!
 
L said:
One would have to see the numbers for this plug in to recharge application. Electric rates are +$0.20 KWH where I live!

The ideal solution would be middle of the night/off-peak charging, where rates are frequently a small fraction of average.
 

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