How much should I pay for this 2010 Honda?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Metspitzer, Nov 25, 2009.

  1. Metspitzer

    Metspitzer Guest

    I am buying it for my nephew. I will be buying the car in Georgia.

    I tried to use Honda's web page to get a listing of the car, but the
    options don't match. The car has a rear spoiler, but the option on
    the window calls it "appearance package" The price is not the same.

    I also didn't see the Theft protection or Nitrogen package listed as
    an option on the web site.
    Metspitzer, Nov 25, 2009
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    Tegger Guest

    "Nitrogen package"??? What a hoot!

    Sure looks like that dealer is adding lots of his own little frills and
    doohickeys to that car quite independently of what the car came with when
    he bought it from Honda.

    I'd stay away from that dealer if I were you.
    Tegger, Nov 25, 2009
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    Metspitzer Guest

    The car is brand new. It is still on the Honda lot. No pre owned.
    The car has 5 miles on it.
    Metspitzer, Nov 26, 2009
  4. Metspitzer

    Tegger Guest

    It's NOT on the "Honda" lot. It's on the DEALER's lot. Honda does not
    own or operate any dealerships. The dealer bought that car from
    American Honda and is re-selling it to you. The dealer is NOT "Honda",
    they just own a franchise license from American Honda. They are an
    independent company.

    The law recognizes sales from automaker to dealer as not actually being
    a "sale" for the purposes of the definition of a "used car". A vehicle
    only becomes a "used car" once the dealer sells it to you. Even if that
    car ends up being sold from one dealer to another for a while, it's
    still a "new" car because it never got sold outside of the dealer/Honda

    Since the dealer is NOT "Honda", he can do anything he likes to the car.
    If you see stuff being advertised by the dealer that you can't find on
    Honda's website, then that stuff is just puffery the dealer has added to
    the car so he can try and pad his margins. Beware!
    Tegger, Nov 26, 2009
  5. Metspitzer

    Metspitzer Guest

    Are you saying that those options were not installed at the factory?
    Metspitzer, Nov 26, 2009
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    MG Guest

    Is the nitrogen package the air in the tires?
    MG, Nov 26, 2009
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    Tegger Guest

    Only if they appear on American Honda's website.

    However, some options /are/ from Honda, but are dealer-installed (rear
    mud flaps are one famous example). Those will be listed as official
    options in the sales brochure and on the Honda website.

    Remember, the dealer owns that car and is free to put whatever shit on
    it that he thinks he can make money from. You really have to watch for
    that sort of thing.
    Tegger, Nov 26, 2009
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    Joe Guest

    Bingo! If it doesn't appear in the Honda literature for the car, or
    on the Honda website, it is NOT a factory option. The dealer is
    adding crap to jack up his margin. "Nitrogen Package"? What a joke.
    Joe, Nov 26, 2009
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    hondo Guest

    since nobody (yet, that I could see) replied to your original question, try edmunds
    price forum


    if link does not open, you can access it at and type
    into search box
    honda civic price
    hondo, Nov 26, 2009
  10. or try
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Nov 26, 2009
  11. Metspitzer

    Tegger Guest

    Rephrase for clarification: Options are only "factory" if they appear on
    Honda's website.

    The quoted paragraph below is OK as-is:
    Tegger, Nov 26, 2009
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    Al Guest

    I don't understand the question. The item you posted says "dealer-added
    equipment and services". If they are dealer added then they are not
    factory installed. That should seem quite clear.
    Al, Nov 26, 2009
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    E. Meyer Guest

    One thing you should understand about Honda. Accessories are not installed
    at the factory. Anything listed as factory accessories in the Honda
    brochures or on the web site are still installed by Honda dealers either
    prior to or after the sale. The question here is more about separating
    "real" Honda options from additional dealer added fluff like a "nitrogen"
    package. The solution is to simply refuse to pay it & they normally back
    E. Meyer, Nov 26, 2009
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    Dddudley Guest

    Metspitzer has shown that he/she is somewhat disadvantaged as a car
    shopper. Nothing that a bit of education cannot cure however.

    All else aside, if one checks into the nitrogen thing, I think they will
    find it to be pretty much of a scam. Even so, I found places that will
    "Nitrogenize" your tire for ~ $3.00 each AND provide you with lifetime
    refills. ASSUMING that Honda dealer will actually completely evacuate
    the air in all four tires and the compact spare, you could have the same
    thing done on your own for $15.00 rather than pay the dealer $196.00.

    What, other than you should run away from this dealership, does that
    tell you Metspitzer?

    E. Meyer is right (and so, for that fact, was Nancy Reagan), JUST SAY NO!

    Go to, Consumer Reports, etc. and ascertain the dealer
    cost/markup on the car and shoot them a fair offer. You don't have to
    steal the car from them but you should never pay sticker. EVER! If you
    want to have fun, tell them you appreciate their attempt to improve on
    Honda's excellent design by adding all that dealer add-on crap but you
    have no intention of paying for it. Let them know they can either
    remove it, sell you a car without it installed, or give it to you for
    free. Tell them you'll walk and be prepared to do so if they will not
    agree to this.

    Shop the dealership at the end of the month. Walk in prepared to make
    the purchase ON YOUR TERMS Monday the 30th. I'm told by people that
    were in the business that the end of the month is generally the 11th
    hour for the sales force. This month's sales figures will often set the
    floor time for next month, bonuses, etc. Use it to your advantage.

    One last thing that will often save you money. It never hurts to cut
    your best deal with them while letting them believe that you will
    finance the car through them. Once the deal is cut and you're sure the
    price on the CAR is what you want and that there is no penalty for
    pre-payment, go ahead and do the deal. Drive your new car off the lot
    and cut a check (or get a loan at a better rate)for the amount of the
    car and pay off the loan before the first payment is due. Again, make
    sure that any rebates figured into the price of the car are not affected
    by this. Many dealerships will cut the price of the car to the bone as
    they are eying either profits from the loan or a kickback from the loan
    when they sell the paper.

    They know they are hosing you when they do it, so why should you have
    any sympathy for them when you turn the tables and do what you promised
    you'd do, i.e. pay the loan off - just do it 48 or 60 months ahead of
    Dddudley, Nov 26, 2009
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    Larry in AZ Guest

    How much more clear can he be about that..?
    Larry in AZ, Nov 26, 2009
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    Tegger Guest

    That's mostly, but not 100%, true. Sometimes the very same accessories are
    factory-installed on some trim lines and dealer-installed on others. Rear
    spoilers (and their matching hatch/trunk struts) are one example of those.

    Real Honda options will have Honda part numbers. Dealer fluff will not have
    Honda part numbers.

    A heads-up for anyone thinking of passing on some options when buying a new
    car: Dealer-installed options that were only ever dealer-installed are not
    stocked by Honda the way parts are that also came from the factory. Few of
    those parts are actually produced, so after a year or two, stock runs out
    and they're gone forever. This would include stuff like rear mud flaps, and
    those rear-window mirrors you could get for the CR-V...

    You got it. Your only real weapon with car dealers is your willingness to
    walk away unless they play ball by your rules.
    Tegger, Nov 26, 2009
  17. Metspitzer


    I bought New '09 Civic LX back in March got $3000 off sticker. The one
    you show with those goofy add-ons try for $3500 off minimum.
    QUAKEnSHAKE, Nov 27, 2009
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    JRStern Guest

    Or go to the Honda site, click to find local dealers, and have them
    all submit bids.

    JRStern, Nov 28, 2009
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    Dillon Pyron Guest

    We always call that "additional deal profit". Rust proofing in Texas?
    Oh yeah, we get salted about 0 times a year. When it ices, they use
    sand. Last year, no days, year before, once. Car wash (three).

    If we get "dealer options", we choose them. The Toyota dealer we
    bought Carol's Camry from actually gave us about $400 less than we
    were going to offer, right off the bat. Then threw in the things we
    were asking for. My Fit came home with a full tank of gas and a free

    Dealers who throw things on and then add them to the lot sticker price
    need to be approched with serious trepidation. Offer less then MSRP
    and walk away if they go up on that offer. I won't call them theives
    because of libel and slander laws.


    - dillon I am not invalid

    "Get a shot off fast. This upsets him long enough to
    let you make your second shot perfect."

    -- Lazurus Long
    Dillon Pyron, Dec 1, 2009
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    Metspitzer Guest

    Well I bought this car. I gave 19,100. Anyone think I got screwed? I
    live in Ga. It is 7% state tax.
    Metspitzer, Dec 17, 2009
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