Horsepower cuts embarass Asians

Is that new Honda or Toyota less powerful than last years model?
Well, yes, and no. The engines in the new models don't make
any less power than last year's engines, even though the numbers
on the specification page are lower. Its just that the
Asians have been caught playing the loopholes in the standards,
putting in premium gas for horsepower testing while rating
annual fuel cost based on regular, tweaking engine controls to
non-standard settings, and turning off accessories.

http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060313/AUTO01/603130350

Despite the blatant deception, analysts don't expect the kind of
backlash against Honda and Toyota that plagued Hyundai several
years ago. After being caught redhanded overstating horsepower,
Hyundai paid cash compensation to over 800,000 owners. "Honda
and Toyota owners aren't like that", said Joseph Camel of the
Brand Research Institute. "They're pretty docile owner groups.
After all, they bought the idea that its normal maintenance to
automatically replace water pumps at 75,000 miles.

Meanwhile, Honda is proposing a new "Effective Horsepower"
rating system. "We intended our horsepower ratings to simulate
effective horsepower when the vehicles are five years old. Our
vehicles lose an average of 46 pounds by that age, meaning
better performance" said Honda spokesman Kor Oshon.

Toyota, however, is a hesitant supporter, saying Honda's version
of Effective Horsepower penalizes it. Studies show that at
age five, the average Toyota loses only 32 pounds due to rust.

Meanwhile, Mitsubishi wants an adjustment for the lower weight
of its cars due to parts that fall off within five years. But
Nissan wants no part of the Effective Horsepower program, claiming
rust is a localized problem, only occurring in the snow belt,
near ocean areas, and in places where it rains.

None of the GM and Ford engines that have been tested have shown
power losses. Some have shown power gains. For those who
critcize Detroit for being stupid, one thing is clear: at least
they're smart enough not to lie.

 

So, um, where is it that cars do NOT rust?

Actually, Mazda (which is owned by Ford) did something similar when
they introduced the RX-8, downrating its horsepower to 238 and
offering to buy back vehciles from anyone who felt ripped off. And
don't forget the big debacle over the 1999 Cobra, which was discovered
after owners tested their cars on dynamometers. Ford took so long to
find a fix that they cancelled production on the 2000 Cobras. They
eventually had to replace exhaust systems and other parts in every
1999 Cobra they produced in order to actually achieve the advertised
horsepower.

 

So, um, where is it that cars do NOT rust?

Actually, Mazda (which is owned by Ford) did something similar when
they introduced the RX-8, downrating its horsepower to 238 and
offering to buy back vehciles from anyone who felt ripped off. And
don't forget the big debacle over the 1999 Cobra, which was discovered
after owners tested their cars on dynamometers. Ford took so long to
find a fix that they cancelled production on the 2000 Cobras. They
eventually had to replace exhaust systems and other parts in every
1999 Cobra they produced in order to actually achieve the advertised
horsepower.

 

Comments4u wrote:
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your headers say it all there guy.

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detroit is quite capable of shooting itself in the foot without your help.

 

Comments4u wrote:
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your headers say it all there guy.

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detroit is quite capable of shooting itself in the foot without your help.

 

Arizona, for one. Rust is unknown in the Phoenix area except in cars brought
in from areas where roads are salted.

Mike

 

Arizona, for one. Rust is unknown in the Phoenix area except in cars brought
in from areas where roads are salted.

Mike

 

LOL. Yeah, right. April Fool's day is still a couple weeks off, dorky.

 

LOL. Yeah, right. April Fool's day is still a couple weeks off, dorky.

 

From www.detroitnews.com? Pure propaganda! Like American
manufacturers haven't been doing this?

Ken

 

From www.detroitnews.com? Pure propaganda! Like American
manufacturers haven't been doing this?

Ken

 

Waiving the right to remain silent, "Michael Pardee"

Near Tucson, (and in nearby California deserts) there are a couple of
airplane graveyards, where thousands of planes sit, virtually rust-
free.

 

Waiving the right to remain silent, "Michael Pardee"

Near Tucson, (and in nearby California deserts) there are a couple of
airplane graveyards, where thousands of planes sit, virtually rust-
free.

 

How many of those planes are made of steel?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

 

How many of those planes are made of steel?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

 

which part of the plane guy? almost all planes use steels in
undercarriage equipment, engine mounts, etc. some even use it for wing
spars.

but if you want to be really pedantic, there is a plane down there in
the phoenix area at the pima air museum called a budd conestoga. that
thing is /all/ steel. it's also rivetless, but that's getting too
involved...

 

which part of the plane guy? almost all planes use steels in
undercarriage equipment, engine mounts, etc. some even use it for wing
spars.

but if you want to be really pedantic, there is a plane down there in
the phoenix area at the pima air museum called a budd conestoga. that
thing is /all/ steel. it's also rivetless, but that's getting too
involved...

 

That is not the issue. There was a show on TV a few weeks ago that
discussed how they spray the planes with something like an inch of
some chemical, that prevents all kinds of problems.

*************************
Dave

 

That is not the issue. There was a show on TV a few weeks ago that
discussed how they spray the planes with something like an inch of
some chemical, that prevents all kinds of problems.

*************************
Dave

 

the cockpit canopies are screened and the engine nacelles blocked up,
but that's about it. take a vacation to tucson some time and check one
of the bone yards out for yourself.