Honda's hydrogen-fuel-cell FCX Clarity

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Nomen Nescio, Dec 1, 2007.

  1. Nomen Nescio

    Nomen Nescio Guest

    "...this is a true zero-emission vehicle, yet it looks, operates and
    drives like anything else on the road. There is simply no more
    realistic a peek into the possibly green future of the automobile, not
    the theoretical Chevrolet Volt from General Motors, nor the electric
    Tesla billionaire-toy, and not even the Holy Green Grail of the plug-in
    Prius..."

    Wall Street Journal: http://301url.com/f43
     
    Nomen Nescio, Dec 1, 2007
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    Matt Ion Guest

    The downside, of course, is that PRODUCING hydrogen in quantity is not
    generally a zero-emission process (unless you have substantial hydro- or
    nuclear-generated electricity available).
     
    Matt Ion, Dec 2, 2007
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    JXStern Guest

    If you mean someone is burning coal upstream, I suppose so, but the
    idea is that big centralized power generation is both cleaner and more
    efficient than most vehicles, so if the resulting consumption is
    clean, it's a net winner.

    Y'know, I don't get it, if you asked anybody five years ago what would
    make sense for vehicles when oil reached $100/barrel, they'd have said
    all sorts of alternatives could come online at those prices. Maybe
    even hydrogen.

    J.
     
    JXStern, Dec 2, 2007
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    Matt Ion Guest

    NET winner, perhaps (IN THEORY)... still, the point is, it's not a
    "ZERO-emissions" solutions; it's a shifted-emissions setup.
    Don't get me wrong, I think it would be great to see some VIABLE
    alternatives to this petroleum-fueled society... it just, I dunno,
    amuses me, I guess, to see people tripping over themselves to jump on
    various "clean energy" pie-in-the-sky bandwagons, only to ask a dozen
    years later, "What ever happened to that idea" because they didn't stop
    to think about ALL the implications, requirements, disadvantages, etc.
     
    Matt Ion, Dec 2, 2007
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    JXStern Guest

    Nobody rides for free.

    How about horses? Or do you think a careful scientific study would
    find that they have emissions, too?

    /hah
     
    JXStern, Dec 2, 2007
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    Matt Ion Guest

    That's my point. The original post *opened* with, "...this is a true
    zero-emission vehicle".

    TANSTAAFL.
    Well if you could collect and distill the methane, you could use that
    for powering your car...
     
    Matt Ion, Dec 3, 2007
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  7. Last I heard, a fuel cell car costs like $1 million. Is this more a public
    R&D phase (aka "beta test") more than anything else? After the lease is
    up, will they be crushed and buried with the EV1's?
     
    John Cocktoastin, Apr 24, 2008
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