Honda Insight a Flop?

Discussion in 'Insight' started by sjmmail2000-247, Jun 19, 2009.

  1. Bloomberg reports that Honda has dialed-back its US sales predictions for the Insight hybrid by a third. "First-year Sales of Honda's gasoline-electric Insight, which debuted at U.S. dealerships in late March, may be between 50,000 and 60,000 units, John Mendel, the company's U.S. executive vice president, said in a June 11 interview at Honda's U.S. headquarters in [...]
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    Neo Guest

    The auto market is poor so demand in general is muted.
    Hybrid sales are best when gas prices are high so with lo gas prices
    demand for hybrids
    is not as high as it could be. The reason for the lower gas prices is
    the poor outlook
    for the immediate economy.
    Neo, Jul 17, 2009
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    News Guest

    Doesn't qualify as a SULEV...

    News, Jul 17, 2009
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    samjones Guest

    Folks are waiting for either Honda or Toyota to release a version with
    lithium ion batteries. I'm hoping next years Prius will finally
    samjones, Jul 17, 2009
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    Dillon Pyron Guest

    I can hold my breath for about 6 1/2 minutes. Can you hold your's for
    longer? Much longer?

    People are pointing at laptops getting longer lives out of their
    lithium ion batteries, but most of those also run cooler processors
    and the power management slows them down. That 3GHz quad you just
    bought? Probably runs two processors at 1.33 GHz (FSB speed).

    I'm making more of a bet on plug-in hybrids first.

    - dillon I am not invalid

    "Jimmy, I'm sorry your girlfriend turned out
    to be a cylon."
    -Special Agent Tim McGee, "NCIS"
    Dillon Pyron, Jul 18, 2009
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    samjones Guest

    This year's so called third generation Prius was originally expected
    to deliver with lithium ion batteries. They upgraded every subsystem
    except the batteries. I think lithium ion batteries are ready to go
    but some safety issues are lingering. I'm guessing another year of
    safey testing and tweaking and we will be there. Lithium ion
    batteries should boost the Prius (and the Insight) into the 70+ MPG
    samjones, Jul 19, 2009
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    Neo Guest

    The 3rd gen Prius has a bigger NiMH battery but many were
    hoping it would have been a Li-Ion battery all the same.
    Toyota is testing the lithium ion batteries. The challenge is
    more of a marketing issue. The way Toyota makes the battery
    last over 15 years is that the battery is never allowed to
    discharge over 66%. Given those restrictions the EV mode
    range of a LiIon battery Prius is still pretty limited while
    the cost is significantly high. It sounds like Toyota has the
    heat dissipation problem licked but they are not getting any
    significant performance or energy efficiency increase that
    would justify the extra cost of LiIon batteries. To get any
    significant increase in energy efficiency the Prius needs
    to go on a diet - its too heavy.
    Neo, Jul 21, 2009
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    News Guest

    A123 phosphorus battery technology?
    News, Jul 24, 2009
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