Honda FIT Sport with paddle shifters

Discussion in 'Fit' started by alfred, Jan 8, 2007.

  1. alfred

    alfred Guest


    Does anyone have any experience with the Honda FIT Paddle shifters on the
    Sport? I was just wondering if they really shift like a semi automatic and
    let you bring the car up to a high rpm in each gear before shifting or is it
    more a gimick?

    Also what is the basic driveability and performance with that car compared
    to a Civic? The dealers in my area never seem to have one in stock so I
    can't seem to find any here. I've seen them on the road and they look
    narrower and smaller than the Civic. I'm just wondering about comfort and
    driveability and handling etc?

    If I was going to get one it would be the FIT Sport with auto, which I think
    would be about $16,400.00. Or for $3,000.00 more I could get a Civic EX with
    auto. I am also wondering if the FIT Sport is worth it for $3,000.00 less in
    terms of value for what you get in a FIT Sport Auto vs. what you get in the
    Civic EX Auto.

    I know that mileage is almost identical...


    alfred, Jan 8, 2007
  2. alfred

    jim beam Guest

    in this instance, since the transmission is really a cvt, it's a
    gimmick. but it does give you convenient two-hands-on-the-wheel control
    if you want it.
    if you want real handling, you need a wishbone accord or a pre-2001
    wishbone civic. or integra.
    jim beam, Jan 8, 2007
  3. alfred

    jim beam Guest

    i take that back - it's a 5-speed conventional honda transmission! the
    fit was sold with a "7-speed" cvt transmission in other markets, but it
    seems that for the u.s. market, traditional transmission is the way...
    jim beam, Jan 8, 2007
  4. The paddles will let you shift manually as long as you stay within an
    RPM range. You still have all of the inefficiencies of an automatic
    transmission. Honda's more complex transmissions seem to get totally
    confused by changes in throttle. At least you can skip one or two
    seconds of the transmission being stupefied when you step on the gas.

    German cars are starting to come out with a "DSG" transmission. It's a
    hybrid of automatic and manual transmission design with stunning
    performance. There's no mushiness from a torque converter and power
    efficiency beats a manual.
    Kevin McMurtrie, Jan 8, 2007
  5. Actually it is a 5-speed AT. They wouldn't have much purpose if they
    didn't let you take it up to redline before shifting.

    Consumer reports tested the base Fit with the same AT but no paddles.
    It was 2.5 sec slower to 60 (12.4 vs. 9.9) and got 2 less mpg than the
    manual. I doubt it is any faster with the paddles but it might be
    more fun to drive than the regular AT.
    The Civic Si might not be bad. The Fit Sport does handle well also
    but the Civic will be faster and more civilized. The Fit is the best
    of all the new small cars.

    Is the $3K the difference in street price or MSRP. The Fit is
    apparently in such short supply that you won't be able to deal on them
    like you could on a Civic. It the MSRP is $3K higher, I bet you could
    get the Civic for about $1000 more than you would pay for the FIT. If
    that is the case I would say it is a no-brainer to get the Civic.
    Gordon McGrew, Jan 8, 2007
  6. alfred

    alfred Guest

    Okay thanks everyone. I guess at this point getting a Civic is a better
    choice. I just wanted something more fun to drive without actually getting a
    manual transmission. I wish the accord or civic would come out with a
    sequential sport shifter. Even hyundai's have that!

    Has anyone tried the Accord 4 cyl Manual and compared it to a Civic Manual?
    I was wondering what the differences are in 0-60 and control?

    alfred, Jan 12, 2007
  7. alfred

    TomP Guest

    Just so you know, there are no "speeds" in a Continuously Variable


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    TomP, Jan 13, 2007
  8. alfred

    jim beam Guest

    i know - that's why it's in quotes. the transmission control system is
    however programmed to give the impression of seven discrete ratios -
    somewhat stupid imo.
    jim beam, Jan 13, 2007
  9. alfred

    TomP Guest

    I agree IMO Honda spent way too much time trying to mask the characteristics of
    the CVT trans. Rather they should have touted goodness of the design (such as
    it is) and made it known that "this" is how they work and it's normal.


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  10. alfred

    jim beam Guest

    couldn't agree more. trouble is, honda usa is infected with "detroit
    marketing syndrome", hence red rear turn signals, ridgeline, no prelude,
    no updated crx, rsx [integra successor] which is UTTER junk, no wagon
    accord [or civic for that matter], mcpherson strut suspension,
    anti-hatchback culture, etc. time was, honda used to lead, not follow.
    now, not only do they follow, they're following the worst possible

    need more? there was never any real plan to import the fit, but it
    kinda-sorta turned into a necessity given that gas prices were high.
    now, they find themselves completely unable to satisfy demand it's such
    a success. honda usa marketing is /mind-blowingly/ out of touch.

    jim beam, Jan 14, 2007
  11. What a great quote: "American Honda Motor Manufacturing's marketing is
    MIND-BLOWINGLY out of touch." I will steal that, no question. It needs
    to be said early and often.

    Remember the CRV? It first showed up at the Detroit show in January
    1997. The story goes that Honda corporate came up with this car, and
    offered it to everyone. Japan was happy to take it, but American Honda

    Then the permance of the SUV craze became very apparent, and American
    Honda came back and said, "uh, guys, we'd like that car." But by then
    the corporate design was fairly well fixed and there was no
    accommodation for the American market and its regulations, let alone
    customer preferences and feature sets.

    Therefore, there was a big delay while Honda sorted it all out. When it
    finally came to market, some big items were still awkward--the window
    switches on the dash, the rear door swinging open the wrong way for
    those of us who drive on the right side of the road, etc.

    Now let's talk about American Honda and their beancounter engineering,
    where they stuck the actual engineers on the bench and let the
    beancounters make engineering decisions. V6 transmissions, anyone? In
    one fell swoop Honda managed to turn itself into Chrysler, and the only
    thing that saved them at the last minute was someone's decision to buy
    their way out of it. Unlike Chrysler (who denies any problems and tells
    the customer to go screw himself), Honda decided to commit what some
    shareholders would call coroporate hara-kiri and own up to the situation
    and issue the largest recall ever for these things.

    They're still paying out goodwill money for transmission replacements,
    and will until the last of the early 04 Odysseys get turned into beaters
    and get put into the hands of people who would never know to ask a Honda
    dealer for assistance for the junk transmission.

    American Honda spent at least 10 years dinging their reputation for all
    the reasons you outline, and more--all based on the fact that they let
    the beancounters run the system.

    I did notice that the corporate CEO now is the brilliant engineer who,
    back in the very early 70s, invented CVCC which allowed Honda not to
    spend the money on catalytic converters while still achieving federal
    emissions regulations. This gives me great hope that engineering will
    reign again at Honda.

    Also giving me great hope is what they did with the 06 Civic. It looks
    like it's an engineer's car, MUCH more so than any Civic in the previous
    10 years.

    And look what happened with the Accord. The 03 model comes out, and it
    LOOKS like a Buick. Blech. Then a couple years later the same people
    who let real engineers and designers loose on the Civic redesign, let
    similar designers loose on the mid-cycle re-do of the Accord. And in
    one fell swoop, by fixing the rear end, the Accord became a nice looking

    And now the next gen Accord is going to look like what we've come to
    expect from Acura, and nothing like what we've come to expect for
    America's mainstream family car.

    In fact, the fact that they showed the new Accord before it hit
    showrooms in the fall--which is unprecedented for Honda--tells me it's a
    new era at Honda.

    Only Honda could slide to the Chrysler level, recognize their mistake,
    and manage to come back. That great feat alone should give one

    But my fear is that these changes are DESPITE the American Honda
    marketing machine, not because of it. I think the marketing team still
    holds out for the Detroit syndrome, and could yet sabotage further Honda
    efforts to be what we all know they can be--makers of the greatest cars
    on the planet.

    Honda, send out a press release that you've fired the entire marketing
    team and all your ad agencies who have produced the last 10 years of
    disasters, and have replaced them with people who know how to market
    your engineering prowess (instead of telling the engineers what to
    build) and turn that into 5% sales increases every month. That'll tell
    the world you're serious.
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Jan 14, 2007
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    The 05 Accord Hybrid in an example too. No colors outside, no colors
    inside, no manual transmission, insane understeer, 25 MPG, and the worst
    engineering I've seen outside of American cars. I was shocked when I
    bought the repair manual and read just how h4x0r this car is.
    Dealerships must work with Honda tech support over the phone while they
    fix HAHs.

    My HAH is in the pre-arbitration negotiation phase of being lemon lawed.
    Several problems have been fixed with the engine but none solved its
    rough idle or blinking engine light at full throttle. I can't sell the
    car as it is and I'm really scared about repair costs when the warranty
    ends. I bought a Honda to avoid disasters like this.

    I miss my 97 Civic HX. It was a pleasure to drive and the engineering
    was superb. Technology was used to make the car simpler and more
    reliable, not burdened in complexity.
    Kevin McMurtrie, Jan 15, 2007
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