Help me fix my honda please?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Robert Stiffler, Mar 25, 2011.

  1. Hi everyone, I drive a 98 honda civic hatchback. last week I drove
    through some pretty deep water and started having problems. I know for
    a fact that I didn't hydrolock the engine because it didn't draw in
    any water and the compression checks out fine. Immediately after
    driving through the water, I stated having a miss on one cylinder. The
    problem was the distributor cap was full of moisture. Right, so as
    general maintenance I replaced the cap and rotor. Now I begin
    scratching my head. After putting everything back together, the car
    won't start. It turns over, and it is getting fuel, so I've narrowed
    it down to spark. I've tried just about everything though, from
    putting the old cap back on, new plugs, checking the resistance on the
    coil, fuses, everything. I am pretty stumped. Any ideas?
     
    Robert Stiffler, Mar 25, 2011
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    Tegger Guest



    Have you pulled a plug wire and actually LOOKED at the spark jumping from
    the plug wire to a handy ground?

    Do not discount such very basic tests. You would be amazed how many people
    fail to do very basic checks and miss simple problems because of it.
     
    Tegger, Mar 25, 2011
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    Clete Guest

    Wait till dark and go out with a plant sprayer and spray wires etc and wait
    for the light show.
     
    Clete, Mar 26, 2011
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    Tegger Guest


    Oooh, pretty blue lights. I've seen those.
     
    Tegger, Mar 26, 2011
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    Clete Guest

    So have I . However it really narrows down the problem sometimes when you
    see the arcing.
     
    Clete, Mar 26, 2011
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    Jim Yanik Guest

    yup,plug wires;
    once the insulation breaks down,there's no "going back",it's always a path
    for leakage. old plug wires are prone to that breakdown.

    time to buy a new set of plug wires.

    --
    Jim Yanik
    jyanik
    at
    localnet
    dot com
     
    Jim Yanik, Mar 26, 2011
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    Dillon Pyron Guest

    Have that stupid brother-in-law stick his little finger in the boot
    and hold on to the plug head with the other. If you have a stop watch
    handy you can also verify your tach. Just count the number of screams
    in a minute.

    Now try that with a 40A magneto!!!
    --

    - dillon I am not invalid

    An object's desireability to a dog is directly
    proportional to its desireability to another dog.
     
    Dillon Pyron, Mar 27, 2011
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    Al Guest


    The OP "drove through some pretty deep water and started having
    problems." BUT, it did still run. So he worked on the distributor, and
    then it didn't run. Something he did while working on the distributor
    is the reason it doesn't run. But, after he straightens out the
    distributor it may still not run well because he has flood related
    damage to an electrical component. He could get lucky and it could dry
    out and be all better again, but probably not. Many people seem to have
    to drive through "pretty deep water" one time to learn this lesson. Why
    suspect plug wires? They worked fine before he went swimming, wires dry
    off and are none the worse for having been wet. Does this model have an
    igniter which many have been the damaged by the water or the OP's repair?
     
    Al, Mar 27, 2011
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    Clete Guest

    Another trick I've used with old Fords was to hang a 40 watt bulb in the
    engine compartment and close the hood as best you can and leave on for a few
    hours. Dries everything out completely. Always worked.
     
    Clete, Mar 27, 2011
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    Jim Yanik Guest

    they're old wires,and aging insulation eventually breaks down,but once it
    does break down,they don't recover. HV arcing causes carbon tracking.
    it has to be cheaper to change plug wires than a HVcoil/cap.
    I would have changed the wires before I tried the coil.

    also,pulling on the plug ends can damage the wires,he may have done that
    while changing the plugs.

    the igniter is potted,isn't it?
    unless it was immersed under water for some length of time,I doubt water
    would affect the igniter. and it's on the low voltage side.

    I wonder if he's done a scan of the OBD-II port for possible trouble codes?

    --
    Jim Yanik
    jyanik
    at
    localnet
    dot com
     
    Jim Yanik, Mar 27, 2011
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    Al Moodie Guest

    That's a neat idea.

    I hose down the engine compartment of my 03 Maxima every 6 months or
    so just to keep it clean. Sometimes it won't start afterwords so I get
    my leaf blower and dry out the engine compartment out with it. Has
    worked every time.

    Al Moodie.
     
    Al Moodie, Mar 28, 2011
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    Clete Guest


    Hosing down your engine could be really bad. I would never even think
    about doing that.
     
    Clete, Mar 28, 2011
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    dgk Guest

    Other folks here know much more about cars than I do, but how about
    the computer? I once drove through a lot of water and the car was fine
    for a while but the water got into the computer and it would no longer
    start. This was a 91 Accord though so everything is probably different
    by 98. Still, if the computer was still under the passenger side
    floor, that does put it in some danger.

    I'm going with the wire diagnosis. I can't figure out why the computer
    would die after you did work on the car.
     
    dgk, Mar 29, 2011
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    GrumpyOne Guest


    Unless it's WD-40...

    JT
     
    GrumpyOne, Apr 5, 2011
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    Dillon Pyron Guest

    If he was mud racing, I'd say go for it. If he was mud racing he'd
    probably be tearing down the engine, too.
    --

    - dillon I am not invalid

    An object's desireability to a dog is directly
    proportional to its desireability to another dog.
     
    Dillon Pyron, Apr 6, 2011
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    Dillon Pyron Guest

    Um, why do you have to hose it down "every 6 months or so just to keep
    it clean"?? If your engine is getting dirty enough to make you feel
    like you need to do this, you have a very, very serious problem. If
    it's getting dirty, it's probably because you're blowing oil out of
    the main seal or the front seal or the head gasket.

    My wife insists on putting cardboard on the garage floor. I guess
    it's because her father did. But that was when a car was "expected"
    to bleed some oil. If I saw some oil on the floor, more than just a
    drop, I'd be looking for a problem.

    You are probably getting water into things that don't like water.
    Eventually the leaf blower trick won't work and you might find
    yourself paying a couple of grand to get a computer replaced. The
    distributors on modern EFI cars aren't quite as simple as they were
    on my 65 Galaxie 500. In fact I know that from '08 on, MB's don't
    even have a distributor.
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    - dillon I am not invalid

    An object's desireability to a dog is directly
    proportional to its desireability to another dog.
     
    Dillon Pyron, Apr 6, 2011
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    Tony Harding Guest

    Who wants fast mud?

    :)
     
    Tony Harding, Apr 6, 2011
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  18. Because he's anal retentive.

    Ever been to a Prius web forum? makes this guy look like Brad Pitt.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Apr 7, 2011
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    jim beam Guest

    lol!

    potm
     
    jim beam, Apr 7, 2011
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  20. And I *own* a Prius. I'm embarassed to be associated with those idiots.

    Some morons on Priuschat were amazed and surprised to realize that those
    red button thingies by the door handle were <gasp!> door lock
    buttons--and that this gee-whiz technological marvel of a car lets you
    LOCK THE DOORS BY HAND.

    Yes, they do let morons buy, register, and drive cars.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Apr 7, 2011
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