Ford GM Delphi layoffs were planned in July 05 and earlier...

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by pushdamagicbuttondude, Jan 24, 2006.

  1. July 23 2005:

    "More than a month ago, GM informed us that they would be
    eliminating another 25,000 additional hourly production worker
    jobs, accompanied by the closure of an unspecified number
    of production facilities, probably seven. Unless there is aid from
    Congress, which developed for Chrysler in the 1980s, we will
    witness the disappearance of one of the most powerful
    corporations of the 20th century. If GM goes under we will lose
    a priceless, technologically advanced machine-tool capability.
    The termination of 25% of operating capacity will terminate
    the incomes of some 500,000 individuals and suppliers of one
    form or another, a tribute to free trade and globalization.
    GM is disassembling its operations in the US and globalizing them.
    Already 45% of GM’s North American production
    capacity – some 15 plants – is unused or produces models that
    generate little or no profit. That means more closings are on the way.
    Then there is the pension plan that is underfunded by $45 billion
    and effects 1.2 million pensioners and $270 billion in junk
    bonds, which could eventually destroy the derivatives market.
    The carnage at GM has only just begun and will be followed by Ford.
    Not a pretty picture, but reality as we see it today and in the future.
    As long as corporate America offshores and outsources, the American
    economy will continue to collapse."
    http://www.theinternationalforecaster.com/trainwreck.php?Offset=18

    September 03, 2005:

    "Detroit and Michigan is a zone of the living dead. Detroit represents
    the deliberately arranged decline of American manufacturing.
    The dangerous path of offshoring and outsourcing will lead not
    only to the destruction of the US economic base, but it will take
    down the rest of the world with it. During the past 55 years
    Detroit's population has fallen from 1.8 million to 900,000 in
    round figures. That is extraordinary deindustrialization. Ford's
    River Rouge plant once employed 100,000. Today, it is 6,000.
    Since 1970, it has lost 75% of its manufacturing and jobs.
    Whole areas of the city have been leveled. We see the same
    happening to a lesser degree in Buffalo, NY; Chicago;
    Cleveland; Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and generally throughout
    Indiana, Ohio, Quebec and Ontario in Canada.
    Today the median household Detroit income is one-third lower
    than it was 30-years ago. About 50% of homeowners pay 40%
    or more of their income on the mortgage on their homes.
    Thirty percent of housing stock is in worse condition than normal
    and still takes 40% to 50% of income to either finance or pay rent
    on. The sad story goes on and we do not see it getting any better
    thanks to free trade and globalization."
    http://www.theinternationalforecaster.com/trainwreck.php?Offset=17

    "Delphi, the nation’s largest auto supplier, is bankrupt.
    Production and 35,000 high paying American jobs are
    being moved to China. 12,000 retirees will receive
    one-third of their pensions from the PBGC, which is
    from us, the American taxpayer. You can thank
    General Motors for a failure that was planned 25 years ago.
    Delphi wants to cut the wages of 35,000 workers by
    two-thirds, or to $10.00 an hour to compete with China.
    Delphi employs 185,000 workers worldwide.
    *****
    GM’s future liabilities will increase by $11 billion and in three
    years or less GM will file bankruptcy and their business
    will be sold off in segments to vulture investors.

    (...re-read that again till it sinks in)
    *****
    In order to try to avoid bankruptcy Delphi wanted workers
    to take wages of $10 to $12 an hour instead of $26 to $30
    that they make today. Delphi will also stop paying 4,000
    workers who no longer have jobs to do. At the same time
    the company management increased the severance packages
    of its top 21 executives. Once again, corporate America
    cannot help itself. They are consumed with greed. We see a
    disgusting spectacle of the people at the top taking care
    of themselves and at the same time demanding extraordinary
    sacrifices from their hourly workers. Delphi was the 63rd
    largest US company with annual revenues of $28.62 billion.
    Our Congress and the American people just don’t get it.
    There economy is being ripped out from underneath them.
    Their entire society is being destroyed and no one seems
    to care. The answer is protective tariffs and quotas and a
    reversal of our national policy of free trade and globalization."
    http://www.theinternationalforecaster.com/trainwreck.php?Offset=13


    DUMP BUSH AND THE GOP CORPORATE NEOCONS NOW !!!
    THEY ARE DESTROYING AMERICA FROM WITHOUT AND WITHIN.
     
    pushdamagicbuttondude, Jan 24, 2006
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    Bob Palmer Guest

    Thank you for these news articles, however, if you expect the American sheep
    to be alarmed - it won't happen. Whatever it is that TV advertises the most,
    they will buy. The outrageous and immoral acts of our elected officials get
    a slap on the wrist and then things go back to the usual. The U.S. is on a
    downward spiral. The only thing propping us up is the technology of our
    military. Enjoy while you can.
     
    Bob Palmer, Jan 24, 2006
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    xblazinlv Guest

    I wouldn't worry at all about Delphi....I'm sure it will all work out
     
    xblazinlv, Jan 24, 2006
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    twfsa Guest

    The Big 3 need to stop building junk! manufacture something that doesn't
    need $2k worth of repairs as soon as the warranty expires, they should go
    100K with only maintance,tires, and normal ware out items shocks,
    brakes,belts and hoses. There in the position there in because, thats where
    they aligned them self,saving a nickle here and a dime there on parts, that
    are not worth a shit!

    Tom
     
    twfsa, Jan 24, 2006
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    w9cw Guest

    GM's financial situation, and Ford's as well, is certainly something to
    be concerned about with regard to manufacturing here in the United
    States. However, today's economy is a global economy, and our legacy
    manufacturers in this country have to find a way to compete on the
    global market.

    I relatives that work for the auto industry in Michigan, and they will
    be affected by all of these changes. But, changes must be made,
    otherwise GM and Ford will never successfully compete here in this
    country or in the global market. The real bottom line is this: union
    wages are simply too high, and the companies must get their labor
    expenses under control. GM and Ford can't continue to offer unskilled
    and semi-skilled laborers the wages, and not to mention the tremendous
    short-term and long-term benefits, currently offered. Many individuals
    with undergrad and graduate degrees working in semi-professional and
    professional fields (and, working more than 50 hours a week for a
    salary, with no overtime I might add) don't earn what autoworkers earn.
    How can this continue to be justified? It can't, and this is GM's and
    Ford's problem. The UAW has killed the golden goose!
     
    w9cw, Jan 24, 2006
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  6. The effects that would naturally occur from excessive offshoring would
    be the people couldnt import anymore since nobody could buy. However,
    China, Japan hava intelligently hid this effect by purching the bulk of
    US debt.

    Are we still laughing at the Japanese Economy?

    The Insurance premium excuse is tired. Henry Ford build a hospital for
    cryin out loud. Its one of the biggest groups of hospitals in this
    area. How could he see this and these Million dollar bonus bozos not?
    Plus if you have so many employees and 3 big ass companies why cant you
    negotiate fair rates?

    The Rich flogg the working class and the world, and blame it on the
    poor/defenceless. Whats new?

    CL




    --
    Thank you,


    CL Gilbert
    "Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor
    man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard." Ecclesiastes 9:16
     
    CL (dnoyeB) Gilbert, Jan 24, 2006
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    Bob Palmer Guest

    Ford is competing in the global market. They are making a profit overseas.
    It is here in the US that they lost $1.6 billion. GM isn't competing
    anywhere.
     
    Bob Palmer, Jan 25, 2006
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    Bob Palmer Guest

    The US isn't it's own country anymore. No one seems to know the effects of
    the national debt of trillions of dollars. It is foreign banks and foreign
    countries that hold our debt and dictate our policies and our foreign trade
    balance. Our President is not much more than a puppet. We will stumble along
    so long as we can borrow more money. Half of the collected income taxes are
    used to pay the interest on the national debt. Taxpayers hard earned money
    shipped out of the country. Enjoy while you can.
     
    Bob Palmer, Jan 25, 2006
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    jim beam Guest

    yeah, and they use robots in manufacturing overseas. using manual labor
    to build cars here in the u.s.? wtf are ford thinking? robot
    technology is the only way forward. it's cheap, it beats outsourcing,
    and it's technology we can keep at home. outsourcing is exporting the
    technology that can [is being] used against us. i can't think of a
    dumber concept.
     
    jim beam, Jan 25, 2006
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    Huw Guest

    Not one motor manufacturer can really do without Delphi, so you are likely
    correct.
    It may be restructured and bits sold off though.
    Huw
     
    Huw, Jan 25, 2006
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    Ted G Guest

    Ah! That's where the rub lies, as Delphi will be re-locating
    100% of it's Manfacturing operations to Mexico and retaining
    only Corporate, Engineering and Sales in the USA.

    Delphi is yet another "success story" resulting from NAFTA and GATT.

    It looks like ole Ross Perot was really right back in 1990 when he was
    talking about that "sucking sound". I just hope Ford, GM and Chrysler
    can build a car that sells for under $9000 as that may be all that
    out-of-work
    Americans can afford in the future....short of a Geely of course.... ;)

    (Geely = the Next Big Shoe to drop on Detroit's head ?)
    http://www.geely.com/
     
    Ted G, Jan 25, 2006
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    Huw Guest

    Delphi has manufacturing plants in most car manufacturing countries in the
    world. Most of those plants will continue while some will not.

    Delphi has approximately 185,000 employees and operates 164 wholly owned
    manufacturing sites, 41 joint ventures, 53 customer centers and sales
    offices and 33 technical centers in 38 countries.

    It is massive.


    It is a victim of overexpansion and undermanagement combined with high
    financial gearing.

    So Americans don't believe in competitiveness and hard work any longer.
    Interesting.


    Huw
     
    Huw, Jan 25, 2006
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    TWW Guest

    I am afraid you are right. I am not optimistic at all. Sooner or later the
    massive debt we have incurred and the huge trade imbalance has to catch up.
    The White House claims the "hot job market" will guarantee jobs for all
    those Ford and GM workers laid off. Guess McDonalds must be expanding.

     
    TWW, Jan 27, 2006
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    Huw Guest

    It seems to me that in the last 15 years the only real growth industry in
    the UK has been car boot sales. Yet we seem to keep chugging along.

    Huw
     
    Huw, Jan 27, 2006
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  15. Do you mean "boot" in the British sense, as in "boot and bonnet", or in the
    American sense, as in "Denver Boot"? In either case, I'm lost.
     
    H.W. Stockman, Jan 27, 2006
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    Huw Guest


    I mean boot as in the trunk of the car. People gather at regular sales where
    they take unwanted or commercial goods and sell them from the back of the
    car. It is now a big 'industry' LOL.

    Huw
     
    Huw, Jan 27, 2006
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