Element

Discussion in 'Element' started by bob, Feb 23, 2004.

  1. bob

    bob Guest

    The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost SUV.Any feedback
    about it.?

    Bob
     
    bob, Feb 23, 2004
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  2. bob

    MD Guest

    I thought so too until I got inside one.

    I'm 6' 1" and was very uncomfortable in the front seat, very little leg
    room.

    Rear doors are a joke, need to open the front doors for access.
     
    MD, Feb 23, 2004
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  3. bob

    N.E.Ohio Bob Guest

    Total payload capacity is very small. bob
     
    N.E.Ohio Bob, Feb 23, 2004
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  4. bob

    T. Nelson Guest

    Bob,
    Don't buy it. For many reasons, The Pilot and CR-V are much better
    vehicles. The Element was poorly designed and was made as cheaply as
    possible to keep the price down. It was made by Honda to compete with
    Toyota's Scion xb which is also poorly designed. The Element is a very
    high profile vehicle and shares the problem that many high profile
    vehicles share.
     
    T. Nelson, Feb 24, 2004
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  5. It's "lower profile" than the Pilot.

    Please buy a clue before posting such blather.
     
    Stephen Bigelow, Feb 24, 2004
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  6. bob

    MOS 1369 Guest

    Bob, most people lack intelligence to provide responses one can use. I'm
    6'2" 250lbs, I FIT GREAT, PLENTY OF ROOM. First, depending on what your
    needs are, the Element is great for hauling stuff around and for pet's. If
    you aren't in need of the carrying space (roughly with rear seats up
    44"X72") then yes I would go with the CRV. It handles great in snow and
    rain, holds the road rock solid and compared to our outback
    quieter........... and a great sound system too

    The only thing I don't like is........... The lack of storage in the front
    seat area there is no usable center-console, tiny glove compartment and that
    is my only complaint. If safety is an issue get a Mercedes, if carrying
    capacity then I'd recommend a pickup, but for one all around kick-ass
    car..... The Element!
     
    MOS 1369, Feb 24, 2004
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  7. bob

    MOS 1369 Guest

    Bob,
    Don't buy it. For many reasons, The Pilot and CR-V are much better
    vehicles. The Element was poorly designed and was made as cheaply as
    possible to keep the price down. It was made by Honda to compete with
    Toyota's Scion xb which is also poorly designed. The Element is a very
    high profile vehicle and shares the problem that many high profile
    vehicles share.
    It's very apparent you know nothing about either the Element or the Scion,
    The Scion if anything would compete with the Mini-Cooper..........

    Ignorance is Bliss
     
    MOS 1369, Feb 25, 2004
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  8. That's a little harsh I think.

    Element elicits such immediate love-it/hate-it responses- no middle
    ground or in-between. And most of the comments on this group regarding
    the Element are obviously from the latter crowd. People that will
    harp on the paper figures like questionable payload capacity- but
    don't have any real experience with the vehicle outside of a test
    drive or a showroom look.

    Bob should get on the boards at hondasuv.com or elementownersclub.com
    if he wants some useful opinions on the car.

    I've owned mine for over a year now and put just under 20K miles on
    it. I've been mostly pleased with the peformance and economy. (25MPG,
    325mi per tankful) Part of me still wishes a V-6 was under the hood-
    but a V6 in any SUV would have raised the price above 22-25K.

    Space is more than ample for most tasks, but I would be hesitant of
    making the Element a primary family car. Suicide doors are neat, but
    are still a PITA after a year. I've hauled way in excess of the 675lb
    limit that most people here harp about. I've had myself and three
    good-sized adults in the car on commutes and long trips. I've helped
    two people move. (the removable backseats are truly a godsend) Not
    once did I ever have a problem with the handling. Not once did the car
    feel unstable- loaded or not. I'm 6'1"; 290lbs, and I fit in the front
    seat fine. (I did have to recline the seat a bit to view the
    instrument cluster clearly)

    Element is functionally a pick up truck for people that don't like
    pick-up trucks. That's basically why I bought it- it was my first
    SUV.... But it's not the car for everyone- let alone the average SUV
    shopper.
     
    Saturn S. Padua, Feb 25, 2004
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  9. bob

    MOS 1369 Guest

    Bob, most people lack intelligence to provide responses one can use.

    That's a little harsh I think



    No not really, America has been besieged by these types of opinioned
    unsubstantiated types. When someone asks a rather simple question, they
    don't get an honest answer. They get what ever spews from the diapers of
    these "folks".I think that "someone" has created an air of superiority for
    those gifted with ignorance...... If he can run a country, then dang, I must
    be briliant two!

    Democracy Dies with Political Lies!
     
    MOS 1369, Feb 26, 2004
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  10. I don't think that necessarily implies either a lack of intelligence or
    honestly.

    Just an absence of fear of critique.
     
    Stephen Bigelow, Feb 26, 2004
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  11. bob

    MOS 1369 Guest

    No not really, America has been besieged by these types of opinioned
    I don't think that necessarily implies either a lack of intelligence or
    honestly.

    Just an absence of fear of critique.



    It does! Rudeness and those opiniated, are displaying their ignorance for
    the most part. I find that a number of people will give straight informative
    answers to those who ask questions. In the beginning of Usenet there was
    always a healthy and energetic exchange of ideas and opinions. Since the
    dawn of the "Information Highway" it just opened the door to the drunk and
    hopeless drivers with the lack of information. Since they can not add
    intelligent dialogue they dribble from the sides of their mouths..... more
    so now then ever before.

    The Simple Question "The Element seems to be a good value for a low cost
    SUV.Any feedback about it.?"

    The Answers:
    Obvious disinformation! I fit fine as well as my wife, and I'm much larger
    then this guy. They used to call me "legs"
    For the most part, I would state that the Pilot and CR-V are not better,
    just more luxury comfortable.
    Poorly designed? I think not! Most of the mechanics built on the CR-V so
    another ignorant opinion.
    Compete with Scion.....; Duh! How could he even compare the Element to the
    Scion.....
    and it does have a high physical profile, but once more a lack of knowledge
    about physics and centers of gravity prevail.

    I think both imply a lack of intelligence and honesty!
     
    MOS 1369, Feb 26, 2004
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  12. Uh-huh.
    So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?

    Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to opinion.
    Why is yours more relevant that his?
    Well, the second one is Bill, and yes, he's an idiot.

    The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.
     
    Stephen Bigelow, Feb 26, 2004
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  13. bob

    MOS 1369 Guest

    The Answers:
    So you believe he actually *is* comfortable in the car, and is lying?

    Seems to me that whether a car is comfortable is really subject to opinion.
    Why is yours more relevant that his?

    The first guy at least has first hand knowledge.


    You can't build with opinions, only ideas and facts. If you try to
    understand this gentleman and his opinion his 6'1" frame doesn't properly
    fit, (Comfort was not necessarily in question)I would have to surmise he
    hopped into one at a dealer (and not an owner) with the front seat all the
    way forward and went "oh my I just don't fit". For myself, I'm 6'2" and 250
    lbs. with the seat all the way back I can't understand how someone shorter
    could complain about leg room, especially with the way the seat is
    positioned? Logically and in physical dimensions, something is incorrect,
    since the vehicle specs are absolute, then I suspect an inaccurate opinion.

    I would also add I have plenty of head room. The seats in the CR-V are
    softer and more comfortable then in the Element. I would also state that
    with the configuration of the rear doors odd as they may seem work fine for
    placing very large items into the area behind the front seats. Packages that
    could never fit in most other vehicles including the CR-V.

    He would certainly have to explain himself and his lack of leg room ... and
    since he had not responded to my early response, I suspect he was providing
    a very limited unfounded opinion.


    Amend the U.S. Constitution to add "FREEDOM"
     
    MOS 1369, Feb 26, 2004
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  14. bob

    Dave Kelsen Guest

    Some people have very long legs and short torsos; some are just the
    opposite, and of course most fall in to the categories that people build
    for. A short-waisted and long-legged 6 footer may find the leg room
    unacceptable but the headroom great, whereas a short-legged but
    long-torsoed 6-footer may find the leg room fine but the head room a
    reason not to buy the car. A more average person may have no problem
    with both.

    It seems to me that it's a lot more likely that the fellow falls into
    one of the other categories than it is that he's just lying for some
    spiteful or other reason.

    It seems to me you'd be a lot more believable if you gave your opinion
    without telling folks (or implying) that the people who disagree with
    you are lying.

    But then this is usenet, and we can all do whatever we want.

    As for me, I'm 6'2", 280 lbs, and I fit fine in the Civic I tried out,
    the Accord I bought last year, and the Odyssey I bought in 2000. I've
    never been in an Element or a CRV.


    RFT!!!
    Dave Kelsen
     
    Dave Kelsen, Feb 26, 2004
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  15. Is that a fact or opinion?

    For myself, I'm 6'2" and 250
    I bet you can't understand *any* dissenting views.
     
    Stephen Bigelow, Feb 26, 2004
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  16. bob

    MOS 1369 Guest

    Some people have very long legs and short torsos; some are just the
    opposite, and of course most fall in to the categories that people build
    for. A short-waisted and long-legged 6 footer may find the leg room
    unacceptable but the headroom great, whereas a short-legged but
    long-torsoed 6-footer may find the leg room fine but the head room a
    reason not to buy the car. A more average person may have no problem
    with both.

    It seems to me that it's a lot more likely that the fellow falls into
    one of the other categories than it is that he's just lying for some
    spiteful or other reason.

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    I stated
    "then I suspect an inaccurate opinion"

    Is reading and comprehension lacking here? Did I say anyone was lying?
    Look, I have given my opinion and can support and back up my claims. As for
    the individual
    who can't fit, I am trying my best to come to his conclusion and understand
    it.
    You are correct, he may possibly horribly disfigured and unable to fit, But
    you can dick around
    with BS as much as you want. The bottom line is the cars specs are accurate
    and you can't
    change them and Honda would also conclude that a 6'1" person can fit
    properly and comfortably....
    and I know factually they could possibly lie, but aren't.

    I also wear 36" inseam and average leg is much less then that...........

    You are more than in your own rights to draw your own conclusions from what
    ever
    anyone may say.................. For me, I like accuracy, a technical,
    financial and medical background
    requires such.
     
    MOS 1369, Feb 26, 2004
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  17. bob

    MOS 1369 Guest

    I bet you can't understand *any* dissenting views.

    Yes, your right! In your own little world things may make sense to you, that
    can't be and aren't supported
    by reality or facts........No WMD's Sorry, but don't take it out on me, you
    probably don't understand the difference between an opinion and a view.
    So your statements are really meaningless and since facts re on my side, I
    can conclude your just blowing smoke for smoking sake........
     
    MOS 1369, Feb 26, 2004
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  18. Enjoy your Element.
     
    Stephen Bigelow, Feb 26, 2004
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  19. bob

    T. Nelson Guest

    Thanks for a well written intelligent response. Your way of responding is
    far superior to ad hominem attacks.
     
    T. Nelson, Feb 26, 2004
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  20. bob

    MOS 1369 Guest

    I find all this pretty funny. Simple questions with BS answers. Then we get
    a latin spanking?

    Here's a Cantonese one. Tsik See.................
     
    MOS 1369, Feb 27, 2004
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