changing manual to automatic

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by vatana, Mar 29, 2006.

  1. vatana

    vatana Guest

    i have a 98 prelude waitn to be used, but i cant drive a manual, is it
    possible to change it to automatic?
     
    vatana, Mar 29, 2006
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  2. We have experts on this list that may answer your question. If they
    don't, my gues would be no. Not without an enormous amount of effort.
    You might have to replace the engine and transmission as well as the
    radiator, center console, throttle linkages, etc. It would cost a lot
    more than the car is worth and a lot more than just going out and
    buying another Honda of similar vintage.

    By the way, there may be posters on this list who want to know why you
    can't drive a manual. I assert that is none of our business.



    Elliot Richmond
    Freelance Science Writer and Editor
     
    Elliot Richmond, Mar 29, 2006
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  3. vatana

    tww Guest

    Actually, the path of least resistance would be to learn how. But, failing
    that the better option would be to try and trade the 5spd for a Prelude with
    an automatic.
     
    tww, Mar 29, 2006
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  4. vatana

    Jason Guest

    Yes, I agree with you. I subscribe to a car magazine and someone asked the
    editor (a mechanic) this same question. The answer was that it would cost
    over $2000. In other words, trading the 98 Prelude in on a car that has an
    automatic tranmission would be the best option. I know how to drive a car
    that has a manual transmission but prefer a car that has an auto.
    transmission. Lots of people are like me--I saw some statistics indicating
    that the vast majority of people prefer an auto. transmission.
    Jason
     
    Jason, Mar 29, 2006
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    Elle Guest

    I think the Car Talk guys got asked this question a few
    years ago. IIRC they similarly concluded it would be cheaper
    to trade the car in.
     
    Elle, Mar 29, 2006
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    Larry J. Guest

    Waiving the right to remain silent, "Elle"
    This question is asked hundred of times everywhere, and always gets
    answered the same.

    Sort of like the old, "Can I turn my B&W TV into color..?"
     
    Larry J., Mar 29, 2006
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  7. vatana

    James Guest

    Yes but this question would be more like going from color to Black and
    White...

    Going from manual to automatic you lose: gas mileage and performance, and
    really gain nothing...
     
    James, Mar 30, 2006
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  8. Possible, but not even remotely practical. I once drove a van that had been
    crudely converted to an automatic - it could even be started in any gear!
    Anyway, think of all the times we are asked whether it is a manual or
    automatic when buying parts and you will understand the scope of the chore.

    I agree with so many others - if you will not be able to drive a stick,
    trading for an auto is the way to go.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Mar 30, 2006
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  9. vatana

    Burt Guest

    Going from color to B&W TV is easy. Just turn down the saturation.
    Going from B&W TV into color is a technical challenge. The tube and
    the board has to be redesigned.
     
    Burt, Mar 30, 2006
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  10. vatana

    Burt Guest

    We did a swap long ago that went fine. The transmission needs a
    cooler so you will need a 12" x 12" x 1" cooler from the salvage yard. You
    will need a gear selector with the safety switch and the cable. You will need
    the throttle cable and a throttle lever. And if the tranny is controlled by a
    central computer, which ours didn't, then get a harness and TCU and
    figure out how it integrates with the ECU. You will need a drive plate.

    You might wonder why, but the swap cost about $500 in parts but to
    trade in for an auto would cost 5 times as much. Plus, we love the car.

    There was an argument over the neutral safety switch. I was for
    it. Overall, it turned out fine but the whole project was remotely
    practical... My next project will have to be "how to convert to
    electric and achieve 100-mpg." - don't laugh, it's already been done.
     
    Burt, Mar 30, 2006
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  11. Back in the late '60s Popular Electronics magazine had an article to make a
    B&W TV color with a color wheel. Maybe that is the solution - the OP can
    have somebody else drive the Prelude!

    Mike <8^P
     
    Michael Pardee, Mar 30, 2006
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    Elle Guest

    How much for labor?
     
    Elle, Mar 30, 2006
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    Jason Guest

    It appears from your post that you done all of the work yourself--or with
    the help of your friends. It was obvious that the OR (original poster)
    would have had to pay a mechanic to do the (tranny transplant) work. The
    mechanic probably would have charged the OR at least $1000.00 (for labor)
    and would have to pay about $500 to $1000 for a tranny that was in perfect
    condition.
    Jason
     
    Jason, Mar 30, 2006
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    Burt Guest

    You're correct . Labor would have totaled $1000 or more. Today's rate
    is $55/hour. It took us 18 hours. Parts for the 98 prelude would have
    exceeded $2000. The transmission computer would nearly cost as much
    as the transmission itself.

    Every stick we own were swapped into auto for the reason that the model
    we need to do the job were mostly manufactured with stick.
     
    Burt, Mar 30, 2006
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    Matt Ion Guest

    I'm gonna go against the grain here too and say, it's definitely
    POSSIBLE, and it's certainly not IMPRACTICAL... IF you're planning to do
    it as a DIY, learn-how-things-work project.
    A trade only picks your pocket if you go through a dealer, or if you
    ALLOW your pocket to be picked. The trick is simply to find someone
    with a similar auto car who would prefer a standard. Personally, if I
    had an auto Prelude in similar condition to the OP's, I'd trade straight
    across in a heartbeat. Autos are convenient if you spend a lot of time
    in stop-and-go traffic... other than that, they're a drag to drive.

    Of course, the other option here is to simply LEARN to drive a
    standard... it's really not that hard.
     
    Matt Ion, Mar 31, 2006
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  16. I assume the OP has a physical problem that prevents him from using the
    clutch. I injured the tendons in the sole of my left foot years ago and had
    to clutch with my heel for a year. No fun.

    Mike.
     
    Michael Pardee, Mar 31, 2006
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    Skyhawk Guest

    it's also possible to learn to drive a manual!
     
    Skyhawk, Apr 1, 2006
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    Burt Guest

    A computer-controlled clutch that allows the driver to make gear
    changes without touching the clutch pedal. These gear changes can
    be done by the computer far quicker than even the fastest human
    being with a conventional manual transmission.

    I have a plan to incorporate this idea onto a VX but I'd been wrestling
    whether to design one using motors or vacuum. Anybody have ideas?
     
    Burt, Apr 2, 2006
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    Jason Guest

    I doubt that any companies would buy it. I subscribe to various car
    magazine and I have read about some of the newest cars that have auto.
    transmissions but allow the driver to change gears (almost like a manual
    gear shift) or shift it into one of the gears and not have to use the
    manual mode (auto. mode). Such a system is great because the husband or
    teenage child could shift gears (manual mode) and the wife would not have
    to shift gears (auto. mode). Visit a BMW and Acura dealership and take a
    look at those cars.
    Jason
     
    Jason, Apr 2, 2006
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    Burt Guest

    Toyota also makes a similar technology. I believe that it will work like this:

    When starting out you'll open the throttle and the computer will engage the
    clutch. If you open the throttle only a little, the computer will allow the
    clutch to slip a bit. The computer won't let the clutch out fast enough to stall
    the motor, just like a skilled rider. The driver shifts gears by moving the
    floorshift to the "+" (upshift) or "-" (downshift) positions.
     
    Burt, Apr 3, 2006
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