Brake Caliper sticking, not releasing properly causing wheel shake. What can I do? Help appreciated!

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by 85miles, Jul 6, 2007.

  1. 85miles

    85miles Guest

    Lately when driving down the highway I been noticing a significant
    amount of wheel shake. This happens about 1 or 2 times during about a
    30 minute trip, lasting about 5 minutes each time. I thought it was
    my bushings or tie rod, but turned out to be my brake on the left
    front was not releasing properly, causing my rotor to overheat and
    then warp and shake the wheel.

    I heard it could be a Collapsed brake hose, or the caliper needs to be
    replaced.

    I looked at it myself and felt the hoses, they seem to be fine to me,
    but I'm no mechanic.

    Has anyone had a similar problem? What can I do to fix this?

    I really don't want to buy a new caliper, they don't come cheap for
    Honda's.

    -- Something to add..... the other day when coming into town, from the
    highway.... the first set of lights... my brake pedal sunk almost to
    the floor. Could this whole problem just be air in my brake lines?

    Any help is greatly appreciated.
     
    85miles, Jul 6, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    you need to find a competent mechanic - whoever told you that stuff
    about sticking brakes causing wheel shake was blowing smoke. collapsed
    brake line is also utter rubbish.

    1. get the wheel balanced properly.
    2. check for work/damaged ball joints & bushings.
    3. ensure shock is not blown.
    4. service brakes using honda parts.
    5. replace master cylinder - that's why the pedal is sinking.
     
    jim beam, Jul 6, 2007
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  3. 85miles

    85miles Guest

    The brake is sticking, I came home today and my rotor was glowing
    red.. smoking... etc.
    When it gets hot I suppose it warps causing intense shake... and it
    worsens the longer I drive.
     
    85miles, Jul 7, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    then why are you driving it???

    jeepers, at the risk of sounding like a jerk, apart from this being
    f-ing dangerous, the money you've wasted in excess gas consumption would
    probably have paid for the repair already!

    1. get the caliper fixed because it's seized. you can service the
    existing caliper if it's not too badly rusted. or you can simply
    replace the whole thing.
    2. get the master cylinder fixed because it's leaking.

    you probably also need to get pads and maybe disks replaced if they're
    too worn. possibly bearing too if it's cooked.

    bottom line, if you can't do this yourself, you need to find someone
    competent to do it for you. stay away from the "collapsed brake line"
    guy. and if you can't afford to repair the car, get rid of it. you're
    a hazard to yourself, and worse, other road users.
     
    jim beam, Jul 7, 2007
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  5. 85miles

    85miles Guest

    This is a brand new caliper put on in January, it must have been a
    junk part put on at the garage. Ever since they put them on I've
    noticed some pull to one side while braking, and now the thing is
    totally messed... It does slowly release, seems okay on the highway,
    but in town, constantly braking, it gets jammed tight to the rotor.
    Im hoping to have this fixed next week. How much labor am I looking
    at? If its a pretty easy job I may try and do it myself.
     
    85miles, Jul 7, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    you definitely need to know what you're doing before undertaking work
    like this. at the least, go to tegger.com and buy the honda service
    manual from helminc.com.
     
    jim beam, Jul 7, 2007
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  7. 85miles

    Tegger Guest


    Calipers ought to be replaced in axle pairs. Replacing only one is a
    guarantee of pulling.

    A caliper sticking like that is usually due to the piston mot moving
    freely in its bore.

    You can check like this:
    1) Remove caliper from mount bracket;
    2) Hold it, or hang it up so it doesn't dangle from the hydraulic hose;
    3) Have a helper step on the brake pedal while you watch the piston;
    4) If car is less than five years old, pedal may be pressed to the
    floor. If car is more than five years old, press pedal only as far as it
    does in normal usage;
    5) Piston should move out of bore about 1/16" or 1/8" or so when pedal
    is pressed;
    6) When pedal is released, piston should move BACK IN slightly. Not
    much, but enough to notice.

    If the piston does NOT move back in -- however little -- then the
    caliper was badly built or the piston is gummed up/rusted.

    If the piston is sticking but is not gummed up, you can lubricate the
    piston with Sil-Glyde or other silicone grease. Ask me how.
     
    Tegger, Jul 7, 2007
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    aynrand101 Guest

    I had the same problem. The Honda mechanic properly diagnosed the
    problem as being the rack and pinion was loose. Luckily it was
    adjustable, and he straightened it out. Now no more shaking. The front
    left brake was engaged everytime the rack and pinion steering was
    vibrating. Problem solved!
     
    aynrand101, Jul 7, 2007
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    Dave Guest

    I've read through this thread and apart from the idea about the rack and
    pinion which I have no experience with as a possible cause, I would share an
    experience I had. I note in this post you've had a new caliper installed
    too. This is what happened to me too. After a new caliper and rotor
    installation, the brake was dragging and the wheel was getting very hot
    after a drive and burned out the pads rapidly (obviously dragging) -
    replaced the caliper, pads, rotor - same thing.... turned out, the mechanic
    at the second garage solved it: it was indeed a collapsed hose causing it -
    the first mechanic (dealer) when replacing the first caliper was lazy and
    rather than letting fluid drip on the garage floor or into a can, squeezed
    off the hose with vicegrips and broke the inner tubing causing a flap which
    allowed fluid to flow one way when brakes were applied but acted like a
    valve stopping fluid from releasing from the caliper. We could see the teeth
    marks of the vice grips on the hose. Replaced the hose and everything was
    fine.
     
    Dave, Jul 7, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    i don't believe that. cut open some brake hose and examine its
    construction - there's no mechanism by which that can happen. the
    rubber can't cold-weld to itself, the reinforcement cords are fiber, not
    metal - it all just springs back into shape. the only possible way to
    cause an internal "flap" would be if the interior lining ruptured, and
    if that happened, the hose would balloon [and quickly burst] on
    hydraulic pressure, not retain pressure sufficient to lock a caliper.

    i might add, i've used hose pinch-off when servicing brakes, both
    commercial and private vehicles, for more than 20 years - without
    problem. it's standard procedure to avoid total hydraulic fluid loss
    and subsequent potential airlocks and bleeding problems. not to mention
    a messy workshop. you're supposed to use a proper clamp, not vice-grips
    obviously, but as i say, it's standard service procedure. among those
    with professional training at any rate.

    what i /have/ seen is crappy brake pads that don't fit well binding in
    calipers, misassembled springs, jammed piston seals, and old calipers
    with internal rust externally painted to look "reconditioned". and
    plain old wrong-size pistons getting stuck. i've also seen a new
    caliper /look/ like it's jammed because if only one is replaced and the
    old one isn't operating properly, the new caliper is doing all the work,
    hence it overheats.
     
    jim beam, Jul 7, 2007
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  11. The Master Cylinder may not be faulty.

    My bet is, since his rotor is glowing red, that he's boiling the brake
    fluid to the point of vaporization, and when he hits the pedal, there's no
    *fluid* left in the line/caliper.

    Fix/replace the caliper, and take it for a test drive.
    And get new rotors and pads while yo9ur at it. No sense using something
    that's been abused so badly.
     
    Hachiroku ハチロク, Jul 7, 2007
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  12. Can you do any work yourself?
    If so, raise the car on that side and put it on a stand, remove the wheel
    and LOOK at the caliper. If you can't see anything, then investigate.

    Unfortunately, since you don't *TELL* us what the car is, I'm guessing a
    '93 Accord, just because. This procedure is good for '86-95:

    http://www.autozone.com/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/0d/1b/f1/0900823d800d1bf1/repairInfoPages.htm

    Check out figures 3 and 4 for caliper removal. There is a bolt with a
    slide at the bottom, and a pin with a slide at the top.

    My bet is the slide has seized in it's bore and is locking the caliper.
    I'm surprised you don't have a smoke show to boot!

    If you're adventurous, you can remove the slider from the caliper (if it
    hasn't *welded* itself in there by now), remove the rubber boot, get some
    emery cloth and clean the rust from the bore until it slides readily but
    with a small amount of resistance, grease it and put it back together.

    I had the same problem with a Supra 2 years ago, and 25,000 miles later
    I'm still on the same caliper...
     
    Hachiroku ハチロク, Jul 7, 2007
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  13. 85miles

    85miles Guest

    Turned out to be just a pinched hose. One of the clamps which holds
    the hose tight to the Shock was pinching the hose too tight,
    preventing brake fluid from escaping. I replaced the brake pads and
    way to go.

    I still have a slight shake when braking though, this is likely from
    the rotor warping a little from the intense heat when the caliper was
    sticking.
     
    85miles, Jul 12, 2007
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  14. Wow! Easy fix!

    Now, just replace the rotor and you should be good!

    However, I did have a rotor warp on a Celica, and for some odd reason, the
    shuddering went away about 6 weeks later...
     
    Hachiroku ハチロク, Jul 12, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    ok, that would be an explanation. but there's no way that's going to
    happen on its own - it's pure human error. whoever last did you brake
    lines was dangerously inept.
    google this group for the cure.
     
    jim beam, Jul 13, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    unlikely to be necessary.

    entirely possible - because the wheel eventually seated properly. use a
    little anti-seize on the hub face and you'll cure it pretty much every time.
     
    jim beam, Jul 13, 2007
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  17. I used axle grease on that one. All I had handy at the time.

    After almost bending the "frame" on a Grand Voyager last fall using
    sledgehammer blows to remove one of the front wheels, you can *bet* I
    anti-seize the hub faces!!!
     
    Hachiroku ハチロク, Jul 13, 2007
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