Bad Oxygen Sensor Symptoms

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Wolfer, Aug 27, 2003.

  1. Wolfer

    Wolfer Guest

    I'm going to go a bit of a different route on this. Any technicians out
    there that have had an oxygen sensor go bad? What are the usual symptoms?
    For the record, I have an 89 Civic LX, 1.5L engine, auto. transmission with
    229K miles. The computer has set a Code 1 which the Service Manual says is
    oxygen related. I don't want to start hanging parts. Thought I'd ask if
    anyone has run across this before.

    Thanks.
     
    Wolfer, Aug 27, 2003
    #1
  2. wolfer,
    I found this on the web somewhere a long time ago, I did not write it but
    I wish I could put it as clearly as Rick did. I hope this helps,
    Scott.

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    Oxygen Sensor InformationOxygen Sensor Information
    In response to several requests for more information about Oxygen (O2)
    sensors, perhaps the following information will help. Comment:
    These procedures are only for self powered conventional sensors. Some
    very new cars are using a different style sensor that is powered. *Many*
    Oxygen sensors are replaced that are good to excellent. *Many* people
    don't know how to test them. They routinely last 50,000 or more miles,
    and if the engine is in good shape, can last the life of the car.
    What does the O2 sensor do?
    It is the primary measurement device for the fuel control computer in
    your car to know if the engine is too rich or too lean. The O2 sensor is
    active anytime it is hot enough, but the computer only uses this
    information in the closed loop mode. Closed loop is the operating mode
    where all engine control sensors including the Oxygen sensor are used to
    get best fuel economy, lowest emissions, and good power.
    Should the O2 sensor be replaced when the sensor light comes on in your
    car? Probably not, but you should test it to make sure it is alive and
    well. This assumes that the light you see is simply an emissions service
    reminder light and not a failure light. A reminder light is triggered by
    a mileage event (20-40,000 miles usually) or something like 2000 key
    start cycles. EGR dash lights usually fall into the reminder category.
    Consult your owners manual, auto repair manual, dealer, or repair shop
    for help on what your light means. How do I know if my O2 sensor may be
    bad? If your car has lost several miles per gallon of fuel economy and
    the usual tune up steps do not improve it. This *is not* a pointer to O2
    failure, it just brings up the possibility. Vacuum leaks and ignition
    problems are common fuel economy destroyers. As mentioned by others, the
    on board computer may also set one of several failure "codes". If the
    computer has issued a code pertaining to the O2 sensor, the sensor and
    it's wiring should be tested. Usually when the sensor is bad, the engine
    will show some loss of power, and will not seem to respond quickly.
    What will damage my O2 sensor?
    Home or professional auto repairs that have used silicone gasket sealer
    that is not specifically labeled "Oxygen sensor safe", "Sensor safe", or
    something similar, if used in an area that is connected to the
    crankcase. This includes valve covers, oil pan, or nearly any other
    gasket or seal that controls engine oil. Leaded fuel will ruin the O2
    sensor in a short time. If a car is running rich over a long period, the
    sensor may become plugged up or even destroyed. Just shorting out the
    sensor output wire will not usually hurt the sensor. This simply grounds
    the output voltage to zero. Once the wiring is repaired, the circuit
    operates normally. Undercoating, antifreeze or oil on the *outside*
    surface of the sensor can kill it. See how does an Oxygen sensor work.
    Will testing the O2 sensor hurt it? Almost always, the answer is no. You
    must be careful to not *apply* voltage to the sensor, but measuring it's
    output voltage is not harmful. As noted by other posters, a cheap
    voltmeter will not be accurate, but will cause no damage. This is *not*
    true if you try to measure the resistance of the sensor. Resistance
    measurements send voltage into a circuit and check the amount returning.
    How does an O2 sensor work?
    An Oxygen sensor is a chemical generator. It is constantly making a
    comparison between the Oxygen inside the exhaust manifold and air
    outside the engine. If this comparison shows little or no Oxygen in the
    exhaust manifold, a voltage is generated. The output of the sensor is
    usually between 0 and 1.1 volts. All spark combustion engines need the
    proper air fuel ratio to operate correctly. For gasoline this is 14.7
    parts of air to one part of fuel. When the engine has more fuel than
    needed, all available Oxygen is consumed in the cylinder and gasses
    leaving through the exhaust contain almost no Oxygen. This sends out a
    voltage greater than 0.45 volts. If the engine is running lean, all fuel
    is burned, and the extra Oxygen leaves the cylinder and flows into the
    exhaust. In this case, the sensor voltage goes lower than 0.45 volts.
    Usually the output range seen seen is 0.2 to 0.7 volts. The sensor does
    not begin to generate it's full output until it reaches about 600
    degrees F. Prior to this time the sensor is not conductive. It is as if
    the circuit between the sensor and computer is not complete. The mid
    point is about 0.45 volts. This is neither rich nor lean. A fully warm
    O2 sensor *will not spend any time at 0.45 volts*. In many cars, the
    computer sends out a bias voltage of 0.45 through the O2 sensor wire. If
    the sensor is not warm, or if the circuit is not complete, the computer
    picks up a steady 0.45 volts. Since the computer knows this is an
    "illegal" value, it judges the sensor to not be ready. It remains in
    open loop operation, and uses all sensors except the O2 to determine
    fuel delivery. Any time an engine is operated in open loop, it runs
    somewhat rich and makes more exhaust emissions. This translates into
    lost power, poor fuel economy and air pollution. The O2 sensor is
    constantly in a state of transition between high and low voltage.
    Manfucturers call this crossing of the 0.45 volt mark O2 cross counts.
    The higher the number of O2 cross counts, the better the sensor and
    other parts of the computer control system are working. It is important
    to remember that the O2 sensor is comparing the amount of Oxygen inside
    and outside the engine. If the outside of the sensor should become
    blocked, or coated with oil, sound insulation, undercoating or
    antifreeze, (among other things), this comparison is not possible.
    How can I test my O2 sensor?
    They can be tested both in the car and out. If you have a high impedence
    volt meter, the procedure is fairly simple. It will help you to have
    some background on the way the sensor does it's job. Read how does an O2
    sensor work first. Testing O2 sensors that are installed
    The engine must first be fully warm. If you have a defective thermostat,
    this test may not be possible due to a minimum temperature required for
    closed loop operation. Attach the positive lead of a high impedence DC
    voltmeter to the Oxygen sensor output wire. This wire should remain
    attached to the computer. You will have to back probe the connection or
    use a jumper wire to get access. The negative lead should be attached to
    a good clean ground on the engine block or accessory bracket. Cheap
    voltmeters will not give accurate results because they load down the
    circuit and absorb the voltage that they are attempting to measure. A
    acceptable value is 1,000,000 ohms/volt or more on the DC voltage. Most
    (if not all) digital voltmeters meet this need. Few (if any) non-powered
    analog (needle style) voltmeters do. Check the specs for your meter to
    find out. Set your meter to look for 1 volt DC. Many late model cars use
    a heated O2 sensor. These have either two or three wires instead of one.
    Heated sensors will have 12 volts on one lead, ground on the other, and
    the sensor signal on the third. If you have two or three wires, use a 15
    or higher volt scale on the meter until you know which is the sensor
    output wire. When you turn the key on, do not start the engine. You
    should see a change in voltage on the meter in most late model cars. If
    not, check your connections. Next, check your leads to make sure you
    won't wrap up any wires in the belts, etc. then start the engine. You
    should run the engine above 2000 rpm for two minutes to warm the O2
    sensor and try to get into closed loop. Closed loop operation is
    indicated by the sensor showing several cross counts per second. It may
    help to rev the engine between idle and about 3000 rpm several times.
    The computer recognizes the sensor as hot and active once there are
    several cross counts. You are looking for voltage to go above and below
    0.45 volts. If you see less than 0.2 and more than 0.7 volts and the
    value changes rapidly, you are through, your sensor is good. If not, is
    it steady high (> 0.45) near 0.45 or steady low (< 0.45). If the voltage
    is near the middle, you may not be hot yet. Run the engine above 2000
    rpm again. If the reading is steady low, add richness by partially
    closing the choke or adding some propane through the air intake. Be very
    careful if you work with any extra gasoline, you can easily be burned or
    have an explosion. If the voltage now rises above 0.7 to 0.9, and you
    can change it at will by changing the extra fuel, the O2 sensor is
    usually good. If the voltage is steady high, create a vacuum leak. Try
    pulling the PCV valve out of it's hose and letting air enter. You can
    also use the power brake vacuum supply hose. If this drives the voltage
    to 0.2 to 0.3 or less and you can control it at will by opening and
    closing the vacuum leak, the sensor is usually good. If you are not able
    to make a change either way, stop the engine, unhook the sensor wire
    from the computer harness, and reattach your voltmeter to the sensor
    output wire. Repeat the rich and lean steps. If you can't get the sensor
    voltage to change, and you have a good sensor and ground connection, try
    heating it once more. Repeat the rich and lean steps. If still no
    voltage or fixed voltage, you have a bad sensor. If you are not getting
    a voltage and the car has been running rich lately, the sensor may be
    carbon fouled. It is sometimes possible to clean a sensor in the car. Do
    this by unplugging the sensor harness, warming up the engine, and
    creating a lean condition at about 2000 rpm for 1 or 2 minutes. Create a
    big enough vacuum leak so that the engine begins to slow down. The extra
    heat will clean it off if possible. If not, it was dead anyway, no loss.
    In either case, fix the cause of the rich mixture and retest. If you
    don't, the new sensor will fail. Testing O2 sensors on the workbench.
    Use a high impedence DC voltmeter as above. Clamp the sensor in a vice,
    or use a plier or vice-grip to hold it. Clamp your negative voltmeter
    lead to the case, and the positive to the output wire. Use a propane
    torch set to high and the inner blue flame tip to heat the fluted or
    perforated area of the sensor. You should see a DC voltage of at least
    0.6 within 20 seconds. If not, most likely cause is open circuit
    internally or lead fouling. If OK so far, remove from flame. You should
    see a drop to under 0.1 volt within 4 seconds. If not likely silicone
    fouled. If still OK, heat for two full minutes and watch for drops in
    voltage. Sometimes, the internal connections will open up under heat.
    This is the same a loose wire and is a failure. If the sensor is OK at
    this point, and will switch from high to low quickly as you move the
    flame, the sensor is good. Bear in mind that good or bad is relative,
    with port fuel injection needing faster information than carbureted
    systems. ANY O2 sensor that will generate 0.9 volts or more when heated,
    show 0.1 volts or less within one second of flame removal, AND pass the
    two minute heat test is good regardless of age. When replacing a sensor,
    don't miss the opportunity to use the test above on the replacement.
    This will calibrate your evaluation skills and save you money in the
    future. There is almost always *no* benefit in replacing an oxygen
    sensor that will pass the test in the first line of this paragraph.



    Rick Kirchhof Austin, Texas | Experience is what you
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    scott carroll, Aug 28, 2003
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