(Anecdotal) Fit only getting 27 MPG?

Discussion in 'Fit' started by Hachiroku ハチロク, Jul 15, 2007.

  1. Hachiroku ハチロク

    jim beam Guest

    you can do a lot of damage even at that speed. the thing is, what are
    the /relative/ speeds. if i'm braking and am at 45 the moment of
    impact, and the guy behind me is doing 55, relative speed is only 10.
    that's a very common scenario. the dangerous ones are trees and
    bridges. they're doing exactly zero mph when you hit them and are
    completely unyielding.

    that's a hot button topic. there are indeed bumper height standards,
    but highway patrol never enforce it. as to dive, most modern cars have
    anti-dive geometry so it's not the issue it may have once been. maybe
    perpetuating the myth that "dive makes bumper height enforcement
    pointless" is the deal with the hp.
    jim beam, Jul 18, 2007
  2. Hachiroku ハチロク

    Jim Yanik Guest

    yes,the VW Golf that rear ended my 94 Integra nosed under my bumper and
    struck the exhaust system,bending the pipe at the "zigzag",and only
    damaging the bumper cover where the license plate mounted.
    the VW had far more damage to it's nose than my Integra had to its rear.

    Now,if it had been a full-size SUV,I'd probably have been crushed when my
    roof caved in....when the SUV climbed over it.
    Jim Yanik, Jul 18, 2007
  3. Hachiroku ハチロク

    Jim Yanik Guest

    often,the most expensive part of the repair is if plastic tailight
    assemblies are broken.Those often cost a lot.
    Jim Yanik, Jul 18, 2007
  4. Hachiroku ハチロク

    Jim Yanik Guest

    I don't believe autos should be engineered to withstand impacts with
    trees,bridge abutments,or other immovable objects.
    They are not supposed to be tanks.
    IMO,jacked-up SUVs and PU trucks ought to be ticketed every time for being
    an unsafe vehicle.
    Jim Yanik, Jul 18, 2007

  5. *I had a '73 1800ES...


    Much more like this:


    And even more like this:


    Hachiroku ハチロク, Jul 19, 2007
  6. I would like to know how much of that weight is specific to the
    side-impact standard that simulates getting hit by an SUV. Hey I got
    a better idea; why don't we require the SUVs to carry a big fluffy
    bumper so they don't inflict as much damage? And while we are at it,
    let's require all light trucks to be painted pastel pink. Then we
    will see how many people *really* need a truck.
    Gordon McGrew, Jul 19, 2007
  7. Hachiroku ハチロク

    Jim Yanik Guest

    to meet the side impact standard,auto makers raised the height of the door
    and bodywork(to keep another vehicle from hitting the weaker window
    area);note that today's autos are taller than earlier models.

    AFAIK,Audi and Acura are the only automakers to make an aluminum body
    auto,the Acura NSX is aluminum.
    IMO,more auto body components could be aluminum,saving some weight,and not
    rusting,either,although Al to steel will corrode without special
    Jim Yanik, Jul 19, 2007
  8. Hachiroku ハチロク

    mjc13 Guest

    I'll bet you wish you still had it...
    mjc13, Jul 19, 2007
  9. Hachiroku ハチロク

    jim beam Guest

    not true for all new vehicles:

    this thing cruises in at under 2,000lbs too.
    adds to the price too.

    bottom line, i think safe is good, but the weight penalty to "protect"
    against side impact, the current hot ticket, is pretty much pointless.
    any time you have your head right next to a nice inflexible piece of
    bodywork, and no distance in which to decelerate moving objects, you're
    going to have injury. period. racing bucket seats, 5 point harness and
    helmets otoh /would/ make a significant difference to side impact
    safety. but they weigh nothing. just wait another 30 years and see
    whether they become mandatory! [not.]
    jim beam, Jul 19, 2007
  10. Hachiroku ハチロク

    jim beam Guest

    like it! but it may not make as much difference as you'd like. my ex
    was fixated on pink. /any/ vehicle that came with a huge pink fluffy
    bumper, she'd buy it. i'm not joking either.
    jim beam, Jul 19, 2007
  11. Hachiroku ハチロク

    jim beam Guest

    legally, they should be. but it's not enforced. write your congress
    jim beam, Jul 19, 2007
  12. Hachiroku ハチロク

    jim beam Guest

    you'd be surprised. i've seen a lot of crashed hondas in a lot of junk
    yards and they survive pretty damned well.
    jim beam, Jul 19, 2007

  13. LOL! I was 19. Thing nickle and dimed me into the poorhouse (well, almost).

    But you just looked so damned *COOL* driving it, who cared?! (Kinda like
    how I feel about the fuel 'economy' of my Supra, but that has more to do
    with the removable roof section...)

    Rolled the damn 1800 right onto the roof. Thank God Volvo builds roll bars
    into their cars...
    Hachiroku ハチロク, Jul 19, 2007
  14. Hachiroku ハチロク

    JXStern Guest

    I think that's mostly style.
    Aluminium? (love the British version) Nah. Plastics, my man, the
    high-tech ceramics. You don't see any aluminum tennis rackets now,
    the composite materials are ridiculously stronger and lighter (and
    cheaper!?), and they're going away from aluminum to composites now in
    the aircraft. Aluminum fatigues and fails, so it has to be (mildly)
    overengineered instead.

    JXStern, Jul 19, 2007

  15. The new 787 is largely constructed of carbon fiber.

    The first big aerospace application was carbon fiber rotor blades that
    were pioneered by Kaman in the 1960's. The company is the world's
    largest producer of rotor blades today.

    OTOH, the L1011 while sporting an aluminum fuselage had no stringers as
    it was constructed of thicker aluminum sheets which in turn really
    provided for an airframe that did not have a dated life time expectancy.
    Construction and maintenance were greatly simplified.

    Grumpy AuContraire, Jul 19, 2007
  16. To the best of my knowledge, the Studebaker Avanti was the only American
    car with an integral roll bar as part of the design. This car which was
    introduced in the spring of 1962, also had a fiberglass body, front disk
    brakes and a completely padded safety interior.

    And driving was a pleasure as it sure was glued to the road. I loved
    that car and sure wish that I did not sell it but unfortunately, I had
    to thin the herd when I accepted overseas employment back in 1989...

    Grumpy AuContraire, Jul 19, 2007
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