Accord "Micro-Chip" Key: Really much of A Deterrent ?, etc. Questions, Please

Discussion in 'Accord' started by Robert11, Dec 26, 2003.

  1. Robert11

    Robert11 Guest

    Hello:

    Have a new Accord, and am a bit concerned about theft.

    Was wondering how effective the "micro-chip key" that is apparently
    required to start the engine "really" is in deterring theft ?

    Or, is it mostly a "feel-good" kind of thing ?

    If it is effective, how is it that the Accords are about the most stolen
    vehicles ? How is it done then; are they just towed ?

    "The Club" steering wheel lock much of a deterrent ?
    What might be better, other than the electrical alarm systems?

    Thanks,
    Bob
     
    Robert11, Dec 26, 2003
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  2. What have you heard that makes you wonder if it's a "feel good" kind of
    thing as opposed to an actual theft deterrent?
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Dec 26, 2003
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  3. Robert11

    DrPimpDaddi Guest

    If it is effective, how is it that the Accords are about the most stolen
    You are seriously misinformed. Honda only started equipping Accords with
    immobilizers starting with the '98 model.

    The Accords that are on those lists are usually '88-'95 models which weren't
    equipped.

    As for their effectiveness, I remember the Camaro being pretty high on that
    list. Then, GM equipped them with the immobilizer starting with the '90 model.
    They quickly dissapeared from the list.








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    DrPimpDaddi, Dec 26, 2003
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  4. "Robert11"
    The key interrupts the computer and starter solenoid. You can bypass this.
    Sorry, it's a trade secret. My ex-buddy got locked up for 6 month for owning
    a ghost (filed) key. If you're in California, don't carry a worn out key or
    risk jail time.
    Pair of shotgun & Raiders' fan sticker.
     
    Tibur Waltson, Dec 26, 2003
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  5. From what I've seen of the technology up to 2001 models, they're usually
    good for a few years. It takes a couple of years before locksmiths get new
    equipment which can decode them - add a couple more for the thieves to
    ummm, "acquire" the equipment.
    Towing is what the real pros will do. Then there's the bandits you leave
    your car and keys with for some indeterminate time - alarm/audio install
    "specialist" are often prime suspects here. They can make a physical copy
    of your key, which wont start your car but with a ECU swap and the
    corresponding chipped key for that donor ECU strapped near the steering
    column sensor, they can drive off.

    I think the real measure of how effective the immobilizer systems are is
    the increase in theft of older vehicles which are not equipped - IOW they
    stop the joy-riders or the guys who just want free transport across town.
    Nope. Have you not seen the video of the guy sawing through the steering
    wheel - 10secs max. I dunno about the brake pedal locks. If they really
    want your car, they'll have it.
    I've often wondered what would be required to totally vaporize an entire
    human... passively of course. Could it be done with just volts or do we
    have to resort to Star Wars lasers here?:)

    Rgds, George Macdonald

    "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
     
    George Macdonald, Dec 26, 2003
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  6. Robert11

    Tegger® Guest


    Or they strip the car on-site.

    Close to my house--but in an unlit rural area--is a '98 Integra Type-R. It
    has an immobilizer. One night two weeks ago, some crooks came by when no
    one was home and stripped the car of its bumpers, headlights, taillights
    and OEM alloy wheels.

    That's probably close to $4,000 Cdn. of good-condition OEM equipment, gone.
    Just like that. Immobilizer meant nothing here.

    However, immobilizers are *very* effective against your average joyrider.
    According to my insurance broker, immobilizers are responsible for a
    dramatic decrease in theft claims, since most thefts are by casual thieves.
     
    Tegger®, Dec 27, 2003
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  7. Robert11

    Gus Guest

    10 seconds after being activated the alarm/immobilizer system fills the
    passenger compartment with a suitable nerve gas.
     
    Gus, Dec 27, 2003
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  8. Robert11

    SF Guest

    I work in Forensics and I can tell you, if somebody wants your car, they
    will get it.

    It does not matter what chip, alarm, or pitbullwith aids guarding it.
     
    SF, Dec 28, 2003
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  9. I don't work in the police field at all, and I could have told you the
    same thing.

    But you should know this: most cars are stole for joyriding, and not
    because someone wants *that* particular car. The key chip system stops
    joyriders cold, and therefore stops MOST car theft cold.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Dec 28, 2003
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  10. Uhmm... They wouldn't invest $500 on a ECU. Ever heard of the $60
    Immobilizer bypass unit that will bypass a full range of models/makes.
    Here's the secret.

    The bypass unit uses a unique auto program sequence to learn the secure code
    from the Key Cylinder Module and repeats it when remote start is activated
    or grounding a wire, eliminating the need to have the victim's key in the
    vehicle. This device can be left installed or uninstalled in the victim's
    car, leaving you clueless until it's too late. This is fact, so watch out.
    Agreed. These things won't work for automatics. Who needs brakes to drive.
    Indy
     
    Indian Summer, Dec 29, 2003
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  11. "Indian Summer"
    Yeah, but it requires some kind of installations and waiting time. Assuming
    a crook breaks into your car install this device and leaves. At least
    they'll leave a clue and we'll wait for the crook with water hoses.

    And if you bring your car into service, at least you'll watch them.
    Tibur
     
    Tibur Waltson, Dec 29, 2003
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  12. Robert11

    Gus Guest

    Forensics what?
     
    Gus, Dec 29, 2003
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  13. Who said anything about "invest"? So you think also pay retail for such
    items? I bet you think all wreckers' yards are paragons of honesty and
    virtue too?
    It's not exactly a "repeat". That'll only work if the algorithm for the
    rolling codes is known... which is why I said it takes a couple of years.
    With enough encryption, it *could* be made secure... within the known
    bounds of cryptography. It'll likely get easier when all the mfrs
    implement electronic start.
    I believe they also depend on the brake pedal interlocks for starting the
    engine and selecting a gear - relatively minor points for a pro of course.

    Rgds, George Macdonald

    "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
     
    George Macdonald, Dec 29, 2003
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  14. "Gus" wrote
    Forensics, New Jersey. It's just east of Passaic.
     
    Howard Lester, Dec 30, 2003
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  15. "George Macdonald"
    If it starts right up without the owner's
    key, it's repeating something.
    Technology is quicker than innovation. The NKR
    Transponder Interface is being sold and works for:

    Honda Civic 2001-03
    Honda CRV 2002-03
    Honda Element 2003
    Acura 1.7 EL 2001
    Acura MDX 2003
    Acura RSX 2002-03
    Honda Accord 2003

    That's only a year away.
    Only until then, this would be costly to make.
    Hmm...never heard of a transponder capable
    of rolling it's code. Can you cite an example?
    Indy
     
    Indian Summer, Dec 30, 2003
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  16. Robert11

    Gus Guest

    LOL! On the banks of the mighty Hackensack River?
     
    Gus, Dec 30, 2003
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  17. "Gus" wrote
    Whose source is the Hackenbush Creek.
     
    Howard Lester, Dec 30, 2003
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  18. Simple algorithms are umm, easy to learn.
    D'oh! Innovation is dependent on technology.
    What? It's being sold but it's only a year away?
    Nope. I do not save every URL and reference site I visit.

    Rgds, George Macdonald

    "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
     
    George Macdonald, Dec 30, 2003
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