99 Civic Just got new Motor Mounts, Timing B, Car making Metal to Metal noise on idle

Discussion in 'Civic' started by pcfabix, Jul 5, 2004.

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    pcfabix Guest

    Hello all,

    I'm new to the fourms. Im hoping someone can maybe shed some light on

    I have a 1999 Honda Civic LX Auto 74,000 miles, Car made a loud thump and
    sounded like a flat, I had towed to Honda dealer advised me I some how had
    broken all three Motor mounts. Also suggested timing belt, drive belts,
    water pump and Fuel injection cleaning, also as a prevenitive I replaced
    the fuel filter and plugs.

    The car ran good for a day, Now all of a sudden it makes a high pitched
    metal to metal noise on idle I dont here if I run it out a few thousand
    RPM's, and it doesnt sound like a belt screech. Also the car sounds awfult
    to me, It has a bit of a lope to it that it never had when it went in

    Dealer wants me to bring it back to them, Im a bit scared to seeing how it
    runs now and I paid 1200 dollars for all this work.

    Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated

    pcfabix, Jul 5, 2004
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    Eric Guest

    The Honda dealer should stand behind their work. Unfortunately, the
    symptoms you've described sound like they may have gotten something wrong
    with the timing belt. Do NOT drive the car. Have it towed back to the
    dealership. If the Honda dealer does not stand behind their work then you
    should contact Honda Motor Company Customer Service at...

    American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
    Honda Automobile Customer Service
    1919 Torrance Boulevard
    Mail Stop: 500 - 2N - 7D
    Torrance, CA 90501-2746


    Eric, Jul 5, 2004
  3. pcfabix

    pcfabix Guest

    I spoke to Honda, they state to just drive the vechicle in and they will
    put me in a loaner. I really do hate driving it a half hour if they did
    something wrong :-/ I guess if worse comes to worse, if they damaged the
    motor they would have to fix it right?

    Thanks for the help,
    pcfabix, Jul 6, 2004
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    Eric Guest

    You stated...
    If this is true, in effect there really is metal to metal, than driving it
    back to the dealer is probably not a good idea.

    Can you see anything in the engine compartment that might be the source for
    this noise?

    Eric, Jul 6, 2004
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    pcfabix Guest

    I've looked around the motor I can not see anything that would be causing
    the noise. To me the closet thing I ever herd to this noise is a bad
    Pulley, but I dont see how a pulley could ne ok befor they start the work
    and be bad the next day after picking it up :-/
    Then with the engine having a lope sound to it Im really concerned
    something wasn't done correctly. This is why I took it to Honda instead of
    attemping to do it my self or have a fly by night shop do it. But I'm not
    going to jump to conclusions till the dealer looks at it, I requested a
    different mechanic but they said the mechanic that did the work would have
    to look at the car...
    pcfabix, Jul 6, 2004
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    pcfabix Guest

    Well I took the car back to the dealer, they were nice enough to loan me a
    2004 2 Door Accord EX V6 WHAT a car....Back to realty, They advised me the
    mechanic over tightened the belt and damaged a gasket in the air box when
    he did the Fuel Inhection cleaning and that the car is good to go.

    I went to the dealer reved it out a few thouand RPM's let it go to idle
    and repeated several times, satisifed it wasnt make the noise I left. Well
    I got about 10 miles to my house and it started the same noise again. The
    dealer said it is a whistle not a metal to metal noise. What ever it is I
    just want them to fix it. I brought out a stethoscope and if facing the
    car it is comeing from the right hand side of the motor in either the
    timing belt cover or the pulleys.

    Is it possible the goof that over tightened the belts damaged a pulley?
    and would Honda be responsible?

    I'm really not in the mood to make another trip to the dealer I dont know
    what to do at this point....
    pcfabix, Jul 8, 2004
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    Artfulcodger Guest

    Keep taking it back till they get it right. It is your only choice.
    You may ask that another technician be assigned to the problem.

    Artfulcodger, Jul 8, 2004
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    Eric Guest

    Which belt was over tightened?
    Damaging a pulley, not likely. However, it is possible to damage the
    bearings in a device that is turned by that pulley. Alternator bearings
    come to mind here.

    Another possibility is that they did not change the timing belt tensioner
    bearing. An old bearing will usually not make noise with an old belt.
    However, once a new, properly tensioned belt is put on the bearing can begin
    to make noise. Check your invoice. It would be interesting to know what
    parts they did put into the timing belt.
    I would take it back to the dealer until they get it right. You could take
    it to another shop and have them diagnose the problem and then take that
    information with you to the dealer. However, that will wind up costing you
    for the other shop's diagnosis time.

    If it really is a whistling noise, then one possible source is the PCV
    valve. If you pinch the hose connecting to the PCV valve closed and the
    noise stops then you've found your problem.

    Eric, Jul 8, 2004
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    pcfabix Guest

    Well I called the dealer bright and early, they are not concerned that it
    is anything major.. The tech that worked on my car is going on vacation
    for a week and would like me to drive the car as is for a week. They
    further stated that they have never a noise like this.

    Eric you bring up a very interesting point, I would like to know what they
    replaced when they did the timing belt. That in its self was almost 600
    dollars. I would like to know if they replaced the bearing. The only thing
    i see on the recipt that is running off the page is: Water Pump, Coolant,

    The dealer is saying that they think it is just something with the
    throttle body, something clugged in there or something and are offering to
    redo the throttle body cleaning in one week. They further stated that they
    already replaced a gasket on the air box that was damaged.

    When I listen to the car its not coming from the throttle body its coming
    from the right hand side of the motor, more towards the altenator.
    pcfabix, Jul 8, 2004
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    pcfabix Guest

    Well I looked at the receipt there isn't any bearings, just the belts and
    water pump.

    The car has gotten to the point were I aint driving it now, the noise is
    so loud people are giving me dirty looks and rolling there windows up. Im
    going to bring it back to the dealer Monday I could care less the mechanic
    that messed up my car err worked on my car is on a week long vacation. Im
    going to tell them the car in this condition is unacceptable, and to make
    it right and I will not pick it up till I feel its right.
    pcfabix, Jul 11, 2004
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