5w-20 for Honda, 3,000-5,000 miles or 10,000 miles to get oil changed? Normal co

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  1. My Civic, 2005 had about 3,400 miles now. The "mant req" light does not come
    on yet. However, I received a letter from Honda Dealer where I bought my car,
    asked me to come in to get oil changed.

    I read the Civic's Owner's Manual and it stated that "under normal condition,
    oil changed at every 10,000 mile"

    What should I do?
    I tend to keep this car for years and want it lasts long, so I dont want to
    damage its engline.
    Please advice.
    TA via CarKB.com, Feb 16, 2006
  2. I change the oil in my 92 Accord at around 7500 miles (as in the user
    manual). The oil change indicator goes to yellow at 6500 miles, and red at
    about 7300 miles. I've been keeping track of this for last 7+ years (yeah,
    i'm a bit like that "Monk" guy).

    You've get the newer model civic, so if the manufacturer says 10,000 miles,
    then they could be right. It also depends on where you live and what weather
    you drive in, etc. I'm in SW Florida.
    Andy M - Tampa Bay, Feb 16, 2006
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    bearman Guest

    It could be that the oil in there is a break-in oil. I don't know if the
    manual addresses when to change that. I'd call the dealer and ask.
    But maybe it's just a money grabbing scheme.
    bearman, Feb 16, 2006
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    TeGGeR® Guest

    Nobody fits "normal". Use the "severe" schedule. The "normal" one is there
    for marketing purposes. No I'm not kidding.

    Really and truly? Then don't sweat the extra few bucks to do the "severe"
    TeGGeR®, Feb 16, 2006
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    Elle Guest

    If you read the manual closely and confirmed you do "normal" driving, then
    wait until 10k miles pass. Alternatively, if the car is equipped with
    Honda's new Maintenance Minder system, wait until it says to change the oil.

    The biggest dealer rip-off is telling customers to change the oil every 3k
    miles. I have never seen a report stating that this improves engine life. I
    have seen a report indicating that a frequency of 7500 miles or so (normal
    driving) will ensure engine life longevity just as well. But this is with
    older cars. With newer cars, the distance may be higher, especially with
    synthetic oil.

    What oil does this car use? Synthetic or non-synthetic? If synthetic,
    definitely wait until 10k miles.

    You're going to get a lot of opinions on this. Or google this group to see a
    good sample of them.
    Elle, Feb 16, 2006
  6. I called the Honda dealer and asked the same question, a few techincians said
    "just follow your Honda owner's manual", another few technicians mentioned
    that "5w-20 that they used is from Honda" so I went back reading closely to
    the manual, it mentioned that synthetics oil does not a requirement.

    I googled and found out that 5w-20 can work well with cold start.
    Reading from this web site, I learned that 5w-20 is a part of synthetics and
    part of mineral oil.
    Definitely, I will check the answers on this web site frequently to educate
    myself on this matter.
    TA via CarKB.com, Feb 16, 2006
  7. Andy M:
    My car does not even hit 5,000 miles yet so definitely, there is no lights
    (neither the "oil change indicator" nor "main't requirement") coming on.
    I live in Central TX.

    From the Civic Owner's manual/Maintenance (page 159), "5w-20 is formulated
    for year round protection, to improve cold weather srating and fuel economy ".

    and what I read from the Ambient Temperature that 5w-20 works good in the
    wide range of -20oF to 100oF (or -30oC to 40oC).
    Honda does not require synthetics oil.
    Honda indicated that "does not require any oil additives. Additives may
    adversely affect your engine's or transmission's performanace and durability".
    TA via CarKB.com, Feb 16, 2006
  8. I read the manual again and checked the oil cap which is printed 5w-20.
    TA via CarKB.com, Feb 16, 2006
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    Woody Guest

    And your dealer knows how many miles you have driven? I had 1500 miles on my
    Ody when the dealer tried to bug me for an oil change. HE IS TRYING TO DRUM
    UP BUSINESS and many suckers will run right in to have it changed. Cars
    today are far more reliable than previous years and auto shops are trying
    their hardest to come up with new ways to make money. Don't fall for it.
    Your Honda service schedule in the owners manual is the place to start. The
    engineers know what is right for your car.
    Woody, Feb 16, 2006
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    D.D. Pallmer Guest

    Consumer's Reports did extensive testing a few years back and found that
    following the manufacturers schedule for normal conditions is just fine for
    most drivers. Not only that, but changing every 3000 miles was actually
    shown to be a total waste. My motto is: maintain, but do not over maintain.
    D.D. Pallmer, Feb 16, 2006
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    Bucky Guest

    I've heard that before too. However, I'm such a penny-wise
    pound-foolish cheapskate that I am willing to be the test guineau pig
    to find out whether doing the normal maintenance (oil change every
    10,000 miles) will shorten my 2001 Civic's life expectancy. And by
    "life expectancy", Tegger, I'm talking about 10years/150-200k miles or
    so, not 250-300k miles! I'll let you guys know in about 5-7 years. =)
    Bucky, Feb 17, 2006
  12. TeGGeR:
    I don't sweat to spend extra few bucks, I posted my questions on this web
    site to give myself a chance to absorb the right knowledge from experienced,
    knowlegeable people on the same issues.
    I am truly appreciated your advice. Thanks again!
    Of course, I am very appreciated your advice.
    TA via CarKB.com, Feb 17, 2006
  13. I googled and had read consumer reports, to educate myself on this particular
    matter, I agreed with you and Woody. However, as a girl, I wanted to avoid
    being rip off, so I came to this site to get more opinions from all of you,
    whom experienced the similar issues.
    Thanks, DD Pallmer.

    TA via CarKB.com, Feb 17, 2006
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    TeGGeR® Guest

    You've heard from others regarding the viability of longer change
    intervals. I remain unmoved from my "severe" approach.

    I do not regard Consumer Reports as a credible source on this issue, given
    their leftist, environut mindset.

    My take is this: Engine rebuilds are very expensive. Oil changes are cheap.
    If you only plan on keeping the car less than six years, change the oil
    once or twice per year and forget about it. If you plan on keeping the car
    forever, and for very high mileages, change it much more often than that.

    Insufficiently frequent oil changes cause sludge buildup. Once sludge
    establishes itself, it's there for good. Sludge interferes with
    lubrication, ventilation and cooling. It accelerates wear, especially in
    the top end.

    The primary source of cylinder bore wear is acids and fuel in the oil. The
    acids and fuel micro-etch the surface of the cylinders, and wash oil off
    the walls, so that when the rings first sweep over them at startup, there
    is more abrasion and thus more wear than there will be on subsquent sweeps.
    Keeping acid and fuel buildup to a minimum reduces bore etching and wear.

    Acids, fuel and soot also attack the oil seals. Frequent changes reduce the
    concentration of contaminants the seals are subject to, increasing their
    lifespan as well.

    I don't care if I'm "over-maintaining" my car. Better that than risk the
    TeGGeR®, Feb 17, 2006
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    Elle Guest

    Yeahbut haven't you also stated here you're a tad compulsive about
    maintaining your car?
    For the record, their evaluation of engine oil change intervals was not
    based on the environment but on measurements of engine wear. One can argue
    with that methodology, if one wants.

    CR has done poor work in the past. It also does much good work. At least,
    Why not change the oil every 1000k miles or every month, then?
    Everyone has a line beyond which s/he may not wonder. No big deal.
    Elle, Feb 17, 2006
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    TeGGeR® Guest

    Even better: a constant feed of squeaky-clean 210º oil that's continually
    recirculated through a decontamination unit that would remove 100% of all
    acids, fuel, soot and other contaminants before the oil reached the engine

    Space, weight, economy and expense preclude that, of course.

    Yep. And my oil changes are done to my line. I feel comfortable with it,
    which is all that matters.
    TeGGeR®, Feb 17, 2006
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    D.D. Pallmer Guest

    Good for you!

    D.D. Pallmer, Feb 17, 2006
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    D.D. Pallmer Guest

    Just because C-R has a tree hugging bent...which I tend to agree they
    do...doesn't mean their research is flawed. My guess is that most cars will
    fall apart in other places before major engine repairs if oil is merely
    changed according to the manufacturer's recommendations.
    D.D. Pallmer, Feb 17, 2006
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    TWW Guest

    I feel that way about my 01 Prelude -- I change my Mobil 1 every 3700-4000.
    TWW, Feb 17, 2006
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    TeGGeR® Guest

    A good guess, I suppose. You are welcome to spend your money guessing. I'd
    rather spend less, not guessing.
    TeGGeR®, Feb 18, 2006
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