31mpg for the Element

Yep. It's in closed-loop as soon as the ECM receives a valid signal from
the primary oxygen sensor, which these days is about 30-40 seconds from a
cold start. But it's still in "warmup enrichment" mode until it sees full
coolant temp, which can be up to ten minutes from cold, depending.

1 psi per every 10 deg F.

Correct.

 

Y'know, NE Ohio Bob had sent me his Excel spreadsheet, but I never did
anything with it.

I'm now thinking it might be an excellent idea to post any available
spreadsheets as part of a FAQ page. Looks like I've got two potential
contributors so far, and I can post one of my own as well.

If the data are valid, they would serve as an excellent real-world mileage
resource. I could post a raw Excel form, and readers would be free to
download and populate it, then send it to me for posting. Comments?

 

Sounds like a good idea to me.

I'll send this to you, Tegger, and I'll leave my data in it. Do with it
as you will.

Dave, you can get it from me if you'll email me: dave - at - kelsen -
dot - us, or provide me with a place to send it. I forgot that at the
moment, I don't have a webspace to post it on.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen

 

Before Metric appeared on the scene? Oh, you mean when the abacus was still
widely used.

-Dave (running) ;-)

 

Email sent to ya. Or if Tegger puts it up on his website, those of us
interested could grab it there too.

Thanks!
-Dave

 

I don't buy it. I don't notice any effect on the car's performance
when I roll down the windows. Turning on the A/C is like throwing out
an anchor.

I just bought a scan gauge monitor that plugs into the OBD-II
receptacle and displays instantaneous milage and a lot of other data.
I will test the window up/down AC on/off controversy and report
results.

 

You had better duck while you're running, youngster <g>.

 

Think about it. Travelling with the windows down, can only reduce
mileage performance as the drag on the vehicle has been greatly increased.
Talk about anchors!

 

"Gordon McGrew" wrote

I've never noticed a decrease in mileage when the AC was in use, and that's
half the year.

 

My civic is getter better mileage than the published EPA ratings.
Also better than the new Fit EPA ratings.
It is better than my 1990 civic which was smaller and lighter.
I read many people were complaining the EPA ratings to too
good for most cars, especially the hybrids.
Cant complain.

 

I typed 13 years of of a 1990 civic costs into a spreadsheet
inlcuding maintenance, repairs, insurance, taxes and ticket fines.
I think the total came to about four times the purchase price
or about 20 cents a mile over 222K miles.
Maintanence and repairs have been less on my 2004 so far.
I expect my first non-scheduled maintence to be new front tires
for the 3rd winter season. I find buying tires a little early to
make a noticeable difference in bad weather driveability and
relatively inexpensive.

 

One can hardly count driver's irresponsibility (ticket fines), as part of
the operational costs of a vehicle.

 

I get 16-18 around town (99% of my driving) and 23-25 on the rare long trips.
That's on a 2003, with about 14K miles now. I'm a firm but not aggressive
driver. Most of my trips are 2.6 miles to work or 7 miles to the location
from which my bicycle club rides.

The lousy mileage is one of the few downsides of the vehicle.

Art

 

I have a 90 4runner. No power but I get 20 in town and 25 on the road.
The poor gas milage is one of downsides but then I can't find a vehicle
which does everything I want and gets good mileage too.

 

Youngster? lol. Funny how people (even at work) think I'm in my early to
mid 20s. They're only about a decade off. ;-)

 

That still makes you a youngster from my viewpoint. {;^)

 

It's up!
http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/mileage.xls
Download and distribute as you wish.

THIS is the correct way to calculate mileage, provided each fillup is to
max.

I'll eventually make a new file with clear fields and post it on a new page
entitled something like "how to record your mileage".

What would be excellent is for people to do their own population of the
spreadsheet with their own accurate real-world data, then send the
resulting XLS to me. I think it would make an awesome real-life resource
for gas mileage data.

When I get a moment, I'll transfer my own data into a copy of that XLS and
post that too. Got ten years of data to put up.

Thanks very much to Dave Kelsen. Great contribution.

 

And I'll chase that young whippersnapper to the ends of the earth, once I
find my cane that is...

 

Send it to me.

 

Actually, that's not even necessary, as Dave Kelsen pointed out on
Thursday. You just have to make sure your calculated interval is bracketed
by consistent fills.