My first venture into the Honda line has been received with mixed reviews. The vehicle in question is a new 2009 Honda Odyssey Touring. The only option added was the trailering package which was dealer installed. Some nice feature and some just plain disappointing. One of my biggest regrets was not opting for all wheel drive. Traction in Ohio winters is tenuous at best. More importantly, in Ohio winters, I would like a bit more heat! I have had it back to the dealers indicating it just takes too long for the engine to warm up. It never reaches half way on the gauge and is certainly less than satisfying in warming the the interior of the vehicle. The dealer mechanic has measured the air temp coming out of the dash as about 160 F which sounds okay, but has not offered the engine temperature. Having called "the factory", it would seem that that check is not necessary. The performance would indicate to me that the thermostat does not allow the engine temperature to reach the 195 design level. Any ideas out there about how I might pursue an improvement? Tom