2006 Civic 38 mpg manual 40 mpg automatic?

Discussion in 'Civic' started by A. Smith, Sep 15, 2005.

  1. A. Smith

    JXStern Guest

    Modern autos can shift smoothly and seriously fast. Especially on the
    highway, this lets them shift into overdrive long before I'd do it
    with a stick, since the auto can also shift back out so quickly and
    smoothly. Better living through chemistry.

    Even my funky Accord auto is very, very good at such things, it's only
    when you want a downshift and try to get it through the gas pedal that
    it sticks and stumbles.

    JXStern, Sep 18, 2005
  2. A. Smith

    Elle Guest

    2005 Civic manual transmission, for one, still beats the automatic version
    in city driving:
    Manual VTEC 32/37
    Auto VTEC 31/38

    The 2005Toyota Echo's manual still trumps the auto version in both city and
    highway driving:
    Manual 35/42
    Auto 33/39

    Source: www.fueleconomy.gov

    There are of course explanations for this. The point is, it's not yet time
    to generalize and say all automatic trannies trump all manual trannies, as
    far as fuel mileage is concerned. They do not.
    Elle, Sep 19, 2005
  3. A. Smith

    TeGGeR® Guest

    Well, for the most part they do, even if it's not universal (yet).
    TeGGeR®, Sep 19, 2005
  4. A. Smith

    TeGGeR® Guest

    I mean automatics shift gears all by themselves. I hate that. That's all I

    I like having complete control over the shifting, even if it means having
    to wrestle with a clutch in heavy traffic.
    TeGGeR®, Sep 19, 2005
  5. A. Smith

    TeGGeR® Guest

    That's the modern perversion of grammar caused by political correctness.
    It's now /evil/ to say "him". Sexist and exclusionary, don't you know.
    TeGGeR®, Sep 19, 2005

  6. That's the modern perversion of grammar caused by political correctness.
    It's now /evil/ to say "him". Sexist and exclusionary, don't you know.[/QUOTE]

    yes. Interesting that they didn't demand we switch to "her".
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Sep 19, 2005
  7. A. Smith

    TeGGeR® Guest

    yes. Interesting that they didn't demand we switch to "her".

    I've seen authors use "she/her" where traditionally "he/him" would have
    been the generic third-party singular term. It looks odd and is against
    custom, but I guess that's better than using "they/them/their" in the
    TeGGeR®, Sep 19, 2005
  8. A. Smith

    jim beam Guest

    if that's happening, there's something wrong.
    jim beam, Sep 19, 2005
  9. A. Smith

    Brian Smith Guest

    More like not having 'total control' than losing control.
    I used to enjoy driving manual transmission equipped cars too. The key
    phrase is 'used to', as I grow older the knees don't work as well as they
    once did and an automatic transmission is similar to taking Aspirin (it
    relieves the pain).

    Brian Smith, Sep 19, 2005
  10. A. Smith

    TeGGeR® Guest

    I'm only 43, so my Aspirin days are a few years ahead. :)
    TeGGeR®, Sep 19, 2005
  11. A. Smith

    Brian Smith Guest

    LOL! You're lucky. My knees started giving me problems when I was in my late
    teens. Thank goodness that all shifting doesn't require the use of a clutch.

    Brian Smith, Sep 19, 2005
  12. A. Smith

    JXStern Guest

    Damn straight, but I suspect it's wrong with most of the cars out
    there, Honda just don't grok automatics. On my Acura, change of fluid
    cleared up the identical problem ... and it was back in 60 days.

    I'll probably whine to the dealer, I'm about due for the 30k. Besides
    the little matter of the tranny, rubber gasket on the sunroof is
    slipping off, and I think the right front speaker is blown, too.
    We'll see what gets fixed.

    JXStern, Sep 20, 2005
  13. A. Smith

    jim beam Guest

    eh? name a single planetary gear automatic that will routinely give you
    300k+ miles! or with the same mechanical efficiency...
    jim beam, Sep 20, 2005
  14. A. Smith

    JXStern Guest

    It doesn't work right pretty much from day one, somehow if it lasts
    that way for fifteen years I'm not so thrilled.

    Not to mention the Acura and Honda 6-cyl autos that leave people
    stranded under 30k.

    JXStern, Sep 21, 2005
  15. The AW-71 transmissions Volvo used in their legendary 240 and 740 series in
    the '80s were truly lifetime transmissions. If any of them have failed I
    haven't seen it on the alt.autos.volvo group, and ours is going strong at
    somewhere around 230K miles, even connected to the turbo engine. But even
    the lockup version AW-71L isn't as efficient as a manual gearbox.

    Michael Pardee, Sep 21, 2005
  16. A. Smith

    routebeer Guest

    Nothing is wrong. The new automatics have extra tall over-drives for
    greater highway fuel economy. This more than makes up for the energy lost
    in the torque converter. Your typical 5-speed auto today is a 3rd gear at
    ~1:1 then 4th is over-drive and 5th is an even taller gear. This does not
    apply to 5s sports car transmissions.

    I think we can thank the Koreans for these well designed, fuel efficient
    Japanese transmissions (relative to previously mass produced ones). In
    fact, I thank the Koreans for all the great value that Japanese
    manufacturers are giving us. Kudos to the Koreans!
    routebeer, Nov 16, 2005
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