2006 Civic 38 mpg manual 40 mpg automatic?

Discussion in 'Civic' started by A. Smith, Sep 15, 2005.

  1. A. Smith

    A. Smith Guest

    Honda's web site says the 2006 Civic gets EPA
    38 mpg with the manual transmission and 40 mpg
    with the automatic.

    What's "wrong" here?
    A. Smith, Sep 15, 2005
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    jim beam Guest

    nothing. the system's been programmed to shift for economy - after all,
    the ecu /does/ know how much gas is being injected. pretty simple.
    jim beam, Sep 15, 2005
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    Remco Guest

    Right! I think you'll have a hard time getting lower mileage/gallon
    with a stick than an automatic on any of the new cars.

    Remco, Sep 15, 2005
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    Elle Guest

    One more voice: In fact, this trend has been going on for several years.
    Many automatics have been trumping manual transmission cars for fuel
    economy, back to the mid/late 1990s or so, IIRC. "Variable Valve Timing and
    Lift Electronic Control" (VTEC) has been a big factor in this, IIRC.
    Elle, Sep 15, 2005
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    Guest Guest

    Yes, I noticed this same thing with the mpg on my 05 CRV.
    Guest, Sep 15, 2005
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    TeGGeR® Guest

    Nothing at all.

    Modern automatics are astonishingly efficient. Manuals are subject to user

    I'd say about 99.999% of manual transmission users cannot shift as well as
    a modern computer-controlled automatic. And that includes me.
    TeGGeR®, Sep 16, 2005
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    TeGGeR® Guest

    Automatics are far better than manuals all around these days. Computerized
    electronic controls trump human brains and muscles hands down.
    TeGGeR®, Sep 16, 2005
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    Dave L Guest

    I noticed some automatics were getting better mpg than a manual - sometimes
    only for city or highway. Can't remember which.

    They both have their good and bad points. I love the control and "fun
    factor" of the stick, as long as I'm not in heavy traffic. ie - D.C. or
    Manhattan. That only happens sometimes for me when I drive there. Still
    bought a '05 Accord LX 5-speed and love the 5-speed. It'll be a pain to
    sell later, I know - but don't plan to sell any time soon. Been averaging
    27 mpg w/mostly city and some highway. Got over 34mpg round trip between
    Baltimore County and NYC last week. The trip was mostly 65-80 mph with the
    a/c on during most of the trip.

    Dave L, Sep 16, 2005
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    flobert Guest

    nothing. in a contrived and non-realistic test one gets better figures
    than another. Its a lot easier to program a computer to shift at
    different times, than it is to get a person to shift at the optimum
    times for these STATIC tests.
    flobert, Sep 16, 2005
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    TeGGeR® Guest

    I like my manual in any case. Just today I spent a half-hour blipping
    forwards a few feet at a time on the freeway to get past an accident.
    Better that than lose control the rest of the time with an automatic. Don't
    like trannies that change gear all by themselves...

    Or the 405 in LA at rush hour(s)...
    TeGGeR®, Sep 17, 2005
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    Brian Smith Guest

    This last sentence is quite the bizarre statement. Are you saying that you
    can't maintain care and control of a vehicle with an automatic transmission?
    If you're not saying that, what thought exactly are you trying to convey?

    Brian Smith, Sep 17, 2005
  12. I think the sentiment is the same I have with automatic transmissions - they
    choose the gear they think is best, which isn't always suited to my purpose.
    It is more often a subjective thing than an objective thing, but the bottom
    line is that 100% of the time the manual tranny is in the gear I want while
    an automatic rates more like 90%... with the remaining 10% being annoying. I
    especially hate automatic shifts on slippery roads. It's like having a demon
    give your car a little *nudge* whenever he feels like it.

    My job takes me off-road a lot (I describe the job as "taking computer age
    skills to the end of bronze age roads in any weather at any time"). Some of
    the roads are intense 4WD, others are miles-long sand pits. Some people
    don't mind automatics in their trucks, but I had to borrow a truck with an
    automatic once and I swore I'd never do that again. It upshifted when it
    wanted, not when I wanted.

    To each their own.

    Michael Pardee, Sep 17, 2005
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    jim beam Guest

    what vintage automatic truck was it and did it have electronic shift
    control? and how can it upshift when you have manual over-ride?
    jim beam, Sep 17, 2005
  14. It was a 1993 Ford F-250, but I doubt the new ones are any better. Our
    department standard is manuals, both for ruggedness and control, but the guy
    who originally had the truck insisted on an automatic. He was pretty odd
    anyway. Automatics can be forced to downshift but (most) can't be forced to
    upshift. You can allow it to shift, but the actual upshift takes place when
    it's ready, not when you're ready.

    I also can't stand the loss of being able to tell when the wheels are
    spinning by listening to the engine sound - but for those who never
    encounter mud, snow or ice it probably isn't a consideration.

    I agree that automatics are nice for driving around town or on the highway
    in good conditions.

    Michael Pardee, Sep 17, 2005
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    jim beam Guest

    don't get me wrong, i'm not knocking your preference, but i don't
    understand the upshift bit. it /can't/ upshift if you're manually
    over-riding it. if you want it to shift "prematurely" for traction in
    snow or mug, it shouldn't matter once you're under way. and with the
    honda, you /do/ have the ability to pull away in "2", where first gear
    will not engage.
    jim beam, Sep 17, 2005
  16. "each" is singular, therefore it's "to each his own".
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Sep 17, 2005
  17. That's our confusion - my complaint is that they don't always upshift when
    the shifter is moved to allow it. Unless the lower gear has been held longer
    than the tranny would have held it, the tranny will wait until it thinks the
    shift should be made. Again, in good driving conditions it is a minor
    annoyance. In slippery conditions it is intolerable.

    That truck I borrowed was the one I had when I was sent out in a snowstorm.
    The freeway was moving as much as 40 mph in sheltered areas and as little as
    5 mph in the worst. Since downshifting is the same as braking as far as
    slippery roads are concerned, I wanted it to favor the highest practical
    gear. Instead, the only way I could control what it did was to select a
    lower gear than I wanted. More than once on upslopes I reached places where
    the conditions were worse and I eased off on the gas to finesse my way
    through. Instead the demon transmission took that as a sign to upshift, with
    the little *nudge*. With a manual I would have been in that gear a long time

    Michael Pardee, Sep 17, 2005
  18. Sorry - I were confused ;-)

    Say... isn't that his/her own? Or (shades of the 70s) "thon's" own?

    Michael Pardee, Sep 17, 2005
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    Tom Wallace Guest

    Yea but how much shifting is done at highway seep? I saw this and I wonder
    is the gearing is different. I could not find the gear ratios. I bet that
    is the difference since they are both 5 speed trannys.
    Tom Wallace, Sep 18, 2005
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    JXStern Guest

    Yeah, that's why some modern style manuals do now allow the plural in
    such conditions.

    JXStern, Sep 18, 2005
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