2002 Civic 30k Miles service....what is reasonable?

Discussion in 'Civic' started by KWW, Aug 8, 2004.

  1. KWW

    KWW Guest

    I saw my in-law's bill for their 30,000 mile service on their new 2002
    Civic. The price wasn't a problem, $356, until what I saw what they
    did/didn't do! Turns out that they now don't adjust the valve lash unless
    it is making "excessive noise" and the car has "special" spark plugs that
    don't need to be replaced as often, so they didn't do that. SO, all they
    did other than change the oil and drain/refill the tranny fluid was to
    replace the air filter and replace the hepa filter for the interior
    ventilation. I was also not pleased to see that they charged $3.50/qt for
    motor oil, $10 for the oil filter, and $3.00 for the crush washer. (to name
    just a few prices). It just seems excessive labor wise. Basically $103.95
    in parts and $221 in labor..

    I called the dealer and gave them a chance to save face by couching it in
    terms of "maybe they made a mistake on the invoice. They offered some lame
    excuse about "forgetting to credit them the plugs and gasket" so they gave
    them a $57 credit. Well, those items were not on the bill!!! The
    credability of that dealership went down a few notches in MY book!

    Oh, and they made a big deal about a "no charge" Hand Wash Exterior, Vacuum
    Interior, Clean 918 Uniseal the car...

    I wonder if they just saw these 70 year old folks drive in and figured it
    would be an easy mark!
    KWW, Aug 8, 2004
  2. Yes it is a rip off anymore to get any mileage interval major services like
    that. The reasons are because of what you stated. Some of the
    responsibility lies with the people that own the car. The owner's manual
    specifically states what has to be done at what mileage. The dealership
    goes above and beyond that and not to the aid of the customer but to the aid
    of the dealer.

    Being ignorant as to how a car works or what needs to be done really is no
    excuse and it invites the removal of money from your wallet. You can either
    request specific services and price them accordingly at the dealer or do the
    same thing at a reputable local shop.

    The crush washers are normally 15 cents..USA, $7 oil filter from Honda.
    The oil I don't know because I pay $4 a quart for Mobil 1 synthetic.

    The only thing that has to be done on my g/f's 2004 accord till 100,000
    miles is oil change, filter replacements, tire rotations and checks here and
    there. The trans isn't scheduled to be drained until after 100k, same with
    plugs, no t-belt to change.

    The cars today just don't require the upkeep yesterdays car needed. I would
    obviously put the 02 down as a new car.

    They shouldn't have made a big deal about the car wash thing because it was
    no charge, so it wasn't like they were doing you a favor since it was free
    anyway. If it was a chargeable item and they gave it to you for free then I
    would give them a little credit but not much
    CaptainKrunch, Aug 8, 2004
  3. KWW

    Caroline Guest

    In my experience, dealerships definitely target the naive. I don't know how much
    it takes to replace the interior HEPA filter, but I'm betting this dealership is
    preying on its customers big time.

    That $3 for a crush washer is too stupid. I've paid 25 cents each at one dealer
    and been handed a handful for free at another dealer, whom I'd never used in my
    life before.

    Get to know the maintenance schedule in your owner's manual. Strongly consider
    locating an import independent shop in your area, preferably specialized in
    Hondas. Have them use only OEM parts, and try to confirm, where possible, that
    they indeed use OEM parts. Start having routine maintenance done there, checking
    carefully with the maintenance schedule. When they suggest something that you
    don't understand, consider double checking here.

    In my experience building trust is more important to independent shops than it
    is to dealer shops.
    Caroline, Aug 8, 2004
  4. Honda made a very stupid design decision here; it's an hour labor plus
    $30 or so in filters.

    If you can do it yourself, get the $11 in after market filters and go
    for it.
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Aug 8, 2004
  5. KWW

    SoCalMike Guest

    ripoff. i charge my mom parts only, when i do work for her :) i might
    pad the parts cost a *Bit* or add a soda to the bill if its a really hot
    day. im a merciless bastard.
    SoCalMike, Aug 9, 2004
  6. KWW

    KWW Guest

    I personally do all that stuff on my cars. Did the timing/balance
    belts/waterpump the other day on '93 Accord (bought used) and did the brakes
    on wife's '97 Ody. But I don't know that I want to get in the habbit of
    also doing my in-law's maintenance. (I already maint. 5 cars of my own.)
    KWW, Aug 9, 2004
  7. KWW

    Pars Guest

    $356 is about the price for a Type-4 Maintenance package at my Honda
    Dealership. However, in addition to the stuff that you've mentioned, it
    also includes a brake service (which includes bleeding). However, when
    servicing the brakes, labor is included, but parts are extra. The last
    time I had the Type-4 maintenance done to my 98 Hatch, they did a really
    great job with the brakes. I complained about the fact that the front
    wheels where locking up too quickly while in the wet. After the service,
    that problem went away. They also wanted to replace my front rotor
    because it was getting thin and had some scuff marks. I told them to
    leave it alone...those rotors are now on their third set of pads (talk
    about pushing limit...).

    98 DX Hatch
    Pars, Aug 9, 2004
  8. KWW

    dold Guest

    dold, Aug 9, 2004
  9. KWW

    Caroline Guest

    I wonder what you would consider not a handy high markup item.

    The guy should bring the Majestic online auto parts sheet to the dealer. The
    list price shown there is 27 cents, with Majestic selling them for 19 cents.
    These washers are readily available. Customers are witnessing a 1000% markup.

    It's easy to argue with. It should be questioned, at a minimum, to see what is
    going on at this shop.

    Maybe before questioning these criminals call a few other dealers and ask what
    the parts department charges, which I suspect will be one heckuva lot closer to
    the Majestic prices I give above. Take that info to the meeting.

    The markup for the motor oil and oil filter seem much more typical and tolerable
    for a dealer.

    Of course, the original poster's posting this info here will go a long way by
    itself to "educating" consumers and so reducing this kind of robbery.
    Yup, they should be replaced, along with the oil and filter. So what. It's
    probably the most common maintenance any shop does.
    Caroline, Aug 9, 2004
  10. KWW

    Big Kahuna Guest

    I suggest taking a very close look at what *any* minor/major service
    entails. If they don't list it by line item, ask for the list.

    Most of what you'll see is "inspect" a *huge* variety of things. As we
    all know, "inspect" means, "look at fluid levels...look at a/c
    window...look at brake pad wear...dipstick oil and tranny fluid and look
    at level, remove a few bolts and look at air filter..."

    The problem is, I have a suspicion that if you try to "cheat" the dealer
    out of their fee for these "services" by trying to a la carte them
    ("just do the valves and replace the brake fluid...I'll do the rest")
    they'll be resentful and "get" you somehow. Sure, some won't...but I'd
    bet the majority will be irritated.

    Big Kahuna, Aug 10, 2004
  11. KWW

    SoCalMike Guest

    years ago, i took my VW to a tire place for a "free brake check". after
    he got all the wheels off, he went to get a micrometer to check the
    pads, shoes, drums, and discs.

    while he was gone, i swapped the wheels in a criss-cross pattern.

    he put em back on after declaring everything ok, and i got a free tire

    It might take five minutes total on the Civic, and that includes
    peace of mind, free coffee, being "part of the elite honda owners who
    love their cars"
    unless it would be a total knuckle-buster or require jacking up the
    engine and moving a bunch of smog crap, id probably do em every 50k.
    why? metal tends to sieze in metal over the years, and it would rooyally
    suck to take a plug out and strip the threads in the head. YMMV.
    you can flip em, reuse em. i wouldnt pay 3 friggin bucks for one. my 98
    civic has the original washer and doesnt leak. if and when it gets to
    that point, ill make a mental note of the dripping and replace at the
    next change.
    SoCalMike, Aug 10, 2004
  12. KWW

    SoCalMike Guest

    which is a great reason to buy the helm manual, do it all yourself, or
    find a good indie mechanic who will do what needs to be done. hell- i
    "inspect" stuff every time i open the hood.
    SoCalMike, Aug 10, 2004
  13. KWW

    KWW Guest

    This same dealer's parts counter gives them to me for free when/if I
    purchase a filter from them.
    (I don't these days.)
    KWW, Aug 10, 2004
  14. KWW

    Bebop Guest

    $19 for the 2 filters.
    Bebop, Aug 17, 2004
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