Hey everyone, I was working on my 95 honda accord today trying to fid a surging idle peoblem that has gotten worse lately. I start up the car and the rpm goes from 1000 rpm to 3000rpm sometimes. I logged on to google groups to find help from other people that have had the same problem. I FINALLY FIXED IT! Since this is a common problem in honda's I figured that I would log on and explain how I fixed it. Here's the deal: ***DO THIS FIRST: Buy a "Hanes" manual for the car that you own. Look in the trouble shooting section for "idle surging" or something like that. Go through all the tests they have in there. The manual is prolly 9 Bucks at Auto Zone. GET IT, SO USEFUL! There are two valves that controll air flow to the engine and can affect idle: IAC Valve: (Idle Air Controll) This is a 0.00 valve that bolts onto the throttle body. It consists of an electrical motor and a plunger that moves in response to a computer on the vehical someplace. There are great instructions in the "Hanes" manual on how to test this part. FITV: (Fast Idle Thermo Valve) This one costs .00. This little puppy is not electrical dependant. It is a "thermo" switch. There is a wax plunger that expands when warm and shrinks when cold. When the engine is cold, the valve is compleatly open, increasing the air flow to the engine to warm it up faster. As the engine warms, the plunger expands and lets less air into the engine to slow down the idle. *****THESE ARE NOT THE SAME THING!!!!!! One (AIC) is bolted to the back of the trottle body close to the wall of the dashboard. The other one (FITV) is bolted to the BOTTOM of the throttle body. Each one of these valves can be removed and tested and CLEANED WITH THROTTLE BODY SPRAY. Always clean before buying a new valve. This is what I did and I fixed my problem for FREE! I tested the IAC valve and found no problems. I took it off and cleaned it. I then took off the Fast Idle Thermo Valve and took it apart to clean it. I discovered that the entire inside is supposed to be screwed into place on the assembly. Apparently the center/core of the valve has slowly, over time, juggled out and the air was leaking through regardless of what the little plunger was doing. So there it is guys, I just did this today so it is all fresh in my mind. I hope this helps someone just like me that was struggline with this issue forever! -Nate