1993 Honda Accord EX hesitates/stumbles

Discussion in 'Accord' started by Bridget, Sep 9, 2007.

  1. Bridget

    Bridget Guest

    I have a 93 Accord EX with 158K miles, 5 speed manual, with an
    intermittent problem. It sometimes hesitates while accelerating at
    low rpm. It happens when I shift to 2nd or from 2nd to 3rd or when
    going around a corner in 3rd and then trying to accelerate. It seems
    to go away when the rpms get higher.

    The main relay was replaced in June 06 when the car would not start
    (crank but not start). This hesitation/jerking/stumbling problem is
    recent. Last week I had a tune-up at Honda dealer - spark plugs were
    replaced and timing, belts, hoses & filters were checked. The fuel
    relay (Relay RZ 39400-SM4) was replaced. It did not fix the problem.

    Also, sometimes when I start the car it sounds like it isn't going to
    catch but then does. Again, it doesn't do this all the time.

    Any ideas on how to fix this problem without replacing everything in
    the car?

    Thank you for any advice.
     
    Bridget, Sep 9, 2007
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  2. Bridget

    Elle Guest

    I would start by checking the coolant in the cooling system
    reservoir. If it's not between the max and min lines, then
    fill to the max line.

    Certain engine control sensors must be immersed in coolant
    to work properly. If the coolant is at all low, they may not
    be immersed. The sensors then send the wrong signal to the
    fuel and air control systems.

    Especially if the coolant was recently replaced, do this. It
    costs little and is a common cause of the problem you
    describe.

    There are others. Start here, though.

    Please confirm whether
    -- OEM ignition wires and spark plugs were used
    -- the air and fuel filters were replaced. If not, when were
    they last replaced?
    -- the battery is old. This is for the slow-to-catch
    problem. Battery age in years and miles, please? What make
    of battery is now installed? Do you have a multimeter to
    check its voltage with the car off and on?
     
    Elle, Sep 9, 2007
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  3. Bridget

    jim beam Guest

    check the egr system. i think tegger has a link to the repair procedure
    on tegger.com.
     
    jim beam, Sep 9, 2007
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    motsco_ Guest

     
    motsco_, Sep 10, 2007
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  5. Bridget

    Elle Guest

    I happened to have changed my 91 Civic's coolant on Friday
    but was a tad short of distilled water to mix with my
    Havoline (orange anti-freeze), and so did not quite top off
    the system per the manual. After letting the fan come on
    twice, it looked like it had enough. Saturday morning
    driving down the highway I get the hesitation and stumbling.
    Then the Check Engine Light comes on. I figure it's gotta be
    the coolant. Temperature gage looks fine. I got to where I
    was going and checked. The reservoir was well below minimum.
    Still having no distilled water, I added 2/3 cup of pure
    Havoline to the reservoir. A couple hours after the car was
    parked (and I attended to my reason for the trip, an
    errand), I drove a few miles. The CEL did not recur for this
    short, low speed trip. At the store I bought some distilled
    water and added 2/3 cup to the reservoir (whose level had
    not changed during the short trip). I brought the reservoir
    back up to max, then drove the car home. It was holding
    steady at about max. I let the car cool and topped off the
    radiator. All seems fine now.

    Fully supporting your claim of many a time here. :)

    A few years back, I had a related problem with a lack of
    coolant, but this time, it was the EACV that was starved.
    Plus, this instance a few years ago did not occur until at
    least several weeks after my coolant change.
     
    Elle, Sep 10, 2007
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  6. Bridget

    Bridget Guest

    I checked the coolant and it is okay. The battery is a Honda battery
    replaced by the Honda dealer in December, 2006, so I doubt that could
    be a problem. I've done a little research and the things that come up
    are: throttle body & the EGR thing and the main relay. As I said
    before the main relay was replaced last year. Could a dirty throttle
    body cause both the hesitation and the starting problem? Why would
    both things happen at once?

    Thanks, Bridget.
     
    Bridget, Sep 28, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    are you getting a code?
     
    jim beam, Sep 29, 2007
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    motsco_ Guest

    ======================================

    Run a bottle of Techron injector cleaner through the gas and see if your
    failure to start problem goes away. Read what your manual says about
    'starting a flooded engine'. Next time it won't start hold the gas pedal
    like the manual suggests and see if it starts with a puff of black
    smoke. Confirmed.

    'Curly'
     
    motsco_, Sep 29, 2007
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  9. Bridget

    Bridget Guest

    The problem is intermittent and although it happens daily, it doesn't
    seem to happen for the mechanic. I guess the mechanic doesn't have
    the time to drive the car around for a little while. I'm nearly
    certain that no code showed up.

    A suggestion was made to try Techron injector cleaner - should I try
    that? I don't want to mess anything up. The car always eventually
    starts..so far.

    Thanks.
     
    Bridget, Sep 29, 2007
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  10. Bridget

    jim beam Guest


    how many keys on your key ring? do you make sure the ignition is fully
    in the "run" position after you start the engine or do you just release
    the key? sometimes the ignition switches go, particularly under the
    conditions i just asked about. if yours is on the way out, you'll have
    intermittent running problems.

    in the mean time, are you getting any engine codes? go to tegger.com
    for info on how to read.
     
    jim beam, Sep 30, 2007
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